Severe Eye Staining

[Hotwyr]

Your dogs may have poor and moderate drainage angles which dont result in staining but a dog which has severe drainage angles may show tearing and Gonioscopy can also find scarring or other damage to the drainage angle which may explain why a dog would be staining.

Actually my old boy (15 - with worst drainage angles Peter had ever seen) does have scarring and a tear - but has never had even a weepy eye.... he did have one eye half torn out (fight with a possum) restitched back in - and still NO permanent damage....Guess he is lucky huh!

Rae

Edited May 8, 2008 by Hotwyr

[x_Ukeeva_x]

Im not sure whats going on here but it feels like its a bit nasty and sarcastic. I think part of the problem is that one is seeing 'eye exam' as those conditions listed above ; Congenital eye diseases examined in Aust and NZ are CEA (Collie Eye Anomaly), MRD (Multifocal Retinal Dysplasia), TRD (Total Retinal Dysplasia), CHC (Congenital Hereditary Cataract), GHPV (Persistent Hyperplastic Primary Vitreous), PPM (Persistent Pupillary Membrane) and G (Goniodysgenesis).

Non Congenital eye diseases checked on examination are GPRA (Generalised Progressive Retinal Atrophy), RPED (Retinal Pigment Epithelial Dystrophy), HC (Hereditary Cataract), PPL (Primary Lens Luxation).

as being tested but you may be forgetting that these are not the only eye conditions which are of a heritable nature which will most definitely cause tearing and should cause a failed eye test.I bred a litter of beagles once which failed their eye tests because 3 in the litter had districhiasis.

Epiphora or blocked tear ducts are not the only eye condition which causes tear staining and any vet can pick up several eye issues which are not on the above list which will cause this which are not associated with the actual tear duct.

Entropian,trichiasis,districhiasis ,corneal ulcers are a few .These are seen by the naked eye so they dont come under the things normally looked at by a specialist eye vet because the assumption is that they will be picked up in any vet surgery.That doesnt mean the causes are not genetic or that anyone is saying something which isnt true.

If you add apple cider vinegar to the drinking water it will stop the staining but not the cause of the watery eyes.

Actually Steve, I am the one who is not sure what is going on here......

Why are you responding to my post or any of the posts on here?? Surely you have more important things to do as a forum moderator?...... it feels to me like playing favourites.....

Believe me - you would know if I was being sarcastic or nasty when I write something - it would leave NO doubt.

I was just wondering what the diagnosis was to lead to such a statement about drainage angles and tear staining.....I have a distinct aversion to only getting snippets of information - why post if you won't tell the full story - sans names of course...

I am a registered nurse of 20 years experience - I have been in dogs 15 years and have a great interest in all canine genetics specifically disorders of the Gastro-intestinal kind and eye diseases in Siberian Huskies.....

I just don't make it known as when you go off on a long explaination about disease/disease processes and genetics most people turn off or don't fully understand the words etc......

I believe totally in Keep It Simple.....and I like to be able to have my say, in my way without feeling like people are going to run off and tell on me......this is just too weird

Rae

I dont believe it is against the rules for a moderator to have input into an open conversation on the forum especially when they have good advice... nor do l believe Steve was playing favourites .. as where in the comments does it even indicate this?

"Believe me - you would know if I was being sarcastic or nasty when I write something - it would leave NO doubt. "

As far as l believe when it comes to the DOL forum it is against Forum Rules to be nasty. As set out in Rules 1. No Racism, Threats, Personal Attacks, Victimisation or Hateful posts. If you can't have a discussion without resorting to attacking the other person, then don't post. Occasionally discussions on here will become heated depending on the topic, so if you find it hard trying to keep your emotions in check, take time out and go away to cool off. Any thread that descends into a slanging match will result in participants being appropriately dealt with.

"it feels like its a bit nasty and sarcastic" well l'm sorry to say but l agree with Steve.

Now moving back to the Forum Topic at hand ... if Wildchild would like to PM me l have a question l would like to ask.

However l do understand if you only wish for this Topic to remain on post. Thanks

[Hotwyr]

I dont believe it is against the rules for a moderator to have input into an open conversation on the forum especially when they have good advice... nor do l believe Steve was playing favourites .. as where in the comments does it even indicate this?

"Believe me - you would know if I was being sarcastic or nasty when I write something - it would leave NO doubt. "

Sorry Kylie BUT I know about the other sibe threads where people were censored for IMHO what seemed very minor comments and yet other sibe people can do and say as they wish.

As far as l believe when it comes to the DOL forum it is against Forum Rules to be nasty. As set out in Rules 1. No Racism, Threats, Personal Attacks, Victimisation or Hateful posts. If you can't have a discussion without resorting to attacking the other person, then don't post. Occasionally discussions on here will become heated depending on the topic, so if you find it hard trying to keep your emotions in check, take time out and go away to cool off. Any thread that descends into a slanging match will result in participants being appropriately dealt with.

I have not once been even close to being nasty on here and don't intend to be - after all this is a very public forum.... I asked what I thought were extremely valid questions....

"it feels like its a bit nasty and sarcastic" well l'm sorry to say but l agree with Steve.

That is of course your prerogative

Rae

[Steve]

Quote Actually Steve, I am the one who is not sure what is going on here......

Why are you responding to my post or any of the posts on here?? Surely you have more important things to do as a forum moderator?...... it feels to me like playing favourites.....

I have no idea why you would feel I was playing favourites and for the record I post in response to any thread I like on this forum just as anyone else does. I dont get paid to moderate and I play by the rules just as anyone else does. If Im involved in a thread and Im in the middle of it or I think I might play favourites I stand back and let Troy moderate - not that Ive ever been asked to do that but to prevent anyone thinking Im playing favourites. I would hope most people here would know I wouldnt just go with someone if I thought they were wrong no matter who they were.

Considering the OP said it was O.K. for anyone to make comment it amazes me that you would make any comment or question why Im coming into this thread or any thread.

Believe me - you would know if I was being sarcastic or nasty when I write something - it would leave NO doubt.

Thats still how some of the comments felt to me - not specifically yours but the tone of several were out of my comfort level and

felt like bullying.

....and I like to be able to have my say, in my way without feeling like people are going to run off and tell on me......this is just too weird

Rae

Well if you want to have your say as long as your way doesnt breach forum rules you're welcome to do that - but if - when you have your say - it crosses the line people are expeced to tell on you whether thats weird or not.

[Steve]

Well thank you to all of the sibe people who have PM'd me .I will answer here so everyone gets the same answer

For the record - I have some vague recollection of moderating a couple of posts ONCE in the sibe thread several months ago and once making a comment because someone had quoted me from another thread so if any moderating has occurred there which you feel is unfair talk to Troy but like me Troy will only come in if something is happening which breaches forum rules anyway. Rather than accuse me or Troy of playing favourites perhaps you should stand back and look at your posting style. And if you think there's more moderating in the sibe thread than any other breed threads - you're wrong there's problems in ALL of them from time to time.

Time to empty my in box again.

[ice]

just before everyone starts talking eyes again i would just like to say in response to a couple of posts that no one has been rude or broken any rules as far as i can see, i thought a good debate was supposed to get a bit heated every now and again. i must say though that i really find being spoken to like a naughty child very condescending so i am going to leave this thread before i do get annoyed, and break a forum rule.

[Hotwyr]

Thanks Steve - appreciate your position....

Rae

Edited May 8, 2008 by Hotwyr

[~Myschafis~]

Edited as posts were removed, so didnt make sense

Edited May 8, 2008 by mickatie

[Hotwyr]

Seems a few posts were removed - probably for the best I think.....

Huh

Edited May 8, 2008 by Hotwyr

[~Myschafis~]

Seems a few posts were removed - probably for the best I think.....

Huh

Agreed

[~Myschafis~]

Is there anyone that can comment on their huskies that have had eye staining before though?

It would be good also if they knew what caused it whether it be allergies or unknown

Might give some dimension to the topic

Edited May 8, 2008 by mickatie

[Steve]

Doubtful - unless its a known genetic disorder in the breed - which clearly its not - there are too many variables and just because one or two are caused by one thing it will have little bearing on the topic of staining in huskies.

[poodlefan]

Is there anyone that can comment on their huskies that have had eye staining before though?

It would be good also if they knew what caused it whether it be allergies or unknown

Might give some dimension to the topic

I can't comment on a husky but I can on a toy poodle if that helps. First time, stress.. change of home. Other time, gum issues.

[~Myschafis~]

I see your point Steve.

For the sibes then would the most likely cause of staining be due to allergies?

Anyone?

[~Myschafis~]

Thanks for the post Poodlefan - Can I ask how stress and gum issues can affect staining (genuine question )

[Ulfhednar]

I don't know the ins and outs of eye probems etc but I will post pics of my Merlin when I first got him.

I have had him for only a 4mths and he had been diagnosied with Corneal Dystrophy a year or so ago.

You can clearly see his eye is stained.

In saying that since I have had him and he is not in a dry dust filled environment his eye has all but cleared.

So in this case I would say definately not related.

Edited May 8, 2008 by bogart

[Hotwyr]

I see your point Steve.

For the sibes then would the most likely cause of staining be due to allergies?

Anyone?

I would say yes more than likely due to some environmental issue - like Bogarts dog.

I had a rehome (Sibe) who did have some staining on one eye, due to the fact she had been in a fight and her third eyelid never fully opened again.....

We managed to remove most of it with Eye Envy....

Rae

Edited May 8, 2008 by Hotwyr

[~Myschafis~]

Can Corneal Distrophy be linked to staining at all?

(thanks Bogart )

[articpower sibes]

Im not saying it was failed DUE to staining, who ever the vet was said that the staining occured due to the issue resulting in the failed eye test.

maybe you misunderstood or i did, what i am saying is failing an eye test before or after eye staining occurs have absolutely nothing to do with each other. maybe as you got this information through someone else the information was muddled somewhere along the line. i am not sure that the person that has this dog if you tell her maybe would not appreciate everyone talking about their dog.

Have to agree with you Sue isn't that against forum rules??

No this isnt against forum rules because in this case the owner has given permission for the thing to be spoken about but even if they hadnt nothing has been said here to identify the owner or the dog.

well I find that very interesting as there were a couple of posts removed from the sibe thread even though, no kennel, website or person's name was ever mentioned. I don't see the difference?

[poodlefan]

Thanks for the post Poodlefan - Can I ask how stress and gum issues can affect staining (genuine question )

Both impact negatively on the dog's immune system. That creates a situation where dampness that might ordinarily not create bacterial growth on skin does create it.