Severe Eye Staining

[~Myschafis~]

Interestingly enough I have seen a husky that failed eye testing and has severe staining.

are you saying that failed eyes and staining go together, because if you are god there are a lot of dogs with bad eyes,

as i said before i reckon it would be allergies, or some other irritation. what condition would cause an eye to stain that would be picked up by the eye clinic. i have noticed that dogs such as maltese and poodles that have pink around their eyes are more prone to it.... put me right anybody

sue

Nope, not saying that staining and failed eyes in all cases go together, but in this paticular case the vet felt the staining was due to a failed eye test.

In other cases it may be coincidence, or otherwise.

ETA: Thank you for those who cleared up drainage angles and its relationship with staining.

Edited May 7, 2008 by mickatie

[SilverHaze]

Nope, not saying that staining and failed eyes in all cases go together, but in this paticular case the vet felt the staining was due to a failed eye test.

What exactly did the dog fail it's eye test for?

[ice]

Interestingly enough I have seen a husky that failed eye testing and has severe staining.

are you saying that failed eyes and staining go together, because if you are god there are a lot of dogs with bad eyes,

as i said before i reckon it would be allergies, or some other irritation. what condition would cause an eye to stain that would be picked up by the eye clinic. i have noticed that dogs such as maltese and poodles that have pink around their eyes are more prone to it.... put me right anybody

sue

Nope, not saying that staining and failed eyes in all cases go together, but in this paticular case the vet felt the staining was due to a failed eye test.

In other cases it may be coincidence, or otherwise.

ETA: Thank you for those who cleared up drainage angles and its relationship with staining.

spoke to an eye specialist today said he would not fail an eye test due to staining so where does that leave us.

[~Myschafis~]

Im not saying it was failed DUE to staining, who ever the vet was said that the staining occured due to the issue resulting in the failed eye test.

[Hotwyr]

Im not saying it was failed DUE to staining, who ever the vet was said that the staining occured due to the issue resulting in the failed eye test.

So what was the issue - or is that a secret?

Lets face it - a dog can't fail that many eye tests

- Gonio is not a pass/fail - it's a rating for supposed predisposition to Glaucoma

- Catarracts are either there or they are not so I guess you could loosely say that's a pass/fail

- PRA, Entropian????

Please enlighten us....

Rae

[~Myschafis~]

This dog is not mine. I have notified the owner of the thread, they might come in here and 'enlighten' you.

Edited May 7, 2008 by mickatie

[anyka]

I have a red siberian bitch here who does have eye staining at certain times of the year mainly around spring and she passed her last eye exam including gonio. I also know other things that make her eyes water and cause staining which I try to avoid with her.

But like Jussy said some of the facial markings of sibes make them look like they have staining but its actually there coat colour there.

[Hotwyr]

1 Mickatie - Interestingly enough I have seen a husky that failed eye testing and has severe staining.

Were you present at examination to have 'seen' this or have you just 'heard' this?

2 Mickatie - Nope, not saying that staining and failed eyes in all cases go together, but in this paticular case the vet felt the staining was due to a failed eye test.

Based on what condition of the eye?

The parts of the eye examined are the adnexa, cornea, iris, lens, vitreous and fundus.

Congenital eye diseases examined in Aust and NZ are CEA (Collie Eye Anomaly), MRD (Multifocal Retinal Dysplasia), TRD (Total Retinal Dysplasia), CHC (Congenital Hereditary Cataract), GHPV (Persistent Hyperplastic Primary Vitreous), PPM (Persistent Pupillary Membrane) and G (Goniodysgenesis).

Non Congenital eye diseases checked on examination are GPRA (Generalised Progressive Retinal Atrophy), RPED (Retinal Pigment Epithelial Dystrophy), HC (Hereditary Cataract), PPL (Primary Lens Luxation).

None of the above are related to the tear duct.

So what new eye issue is 'out there' that has a relationship between the eye ball and tear duct of which would result in a failed eye exam?

3 Mickatie - This dog is not mine. I have notified the owner of the thread, they might come in here and 'enlighten' you.

I look forward to being 'enlightened' as this will be new for us all.

Rae

Edited May 7, 2008 by Hotwyr

[ice]

Im not saying it was failed DUE to staining, who ever the vet was said that the staining occured due to the issue resulting in the failed eye test.

maybe you misunderstood or i did, what i am saying is failing an eye test before or after eye staining occurs have absolutely nothing to do with each other. maybe as you got this information through someone else the information was muddled somewhere along the line. i am not sure that the person that has this dog if you tell her maybe would not appreciate everyone talking about their dog.

[articpower sibes]

Im not saying it was failed DUE to staining, who ever the vet was said that the staining occured due to the issue resulting in the failed eye test.

maybe you misunderstood or i did, what i am saying is failing an eye test before or after eye staining occurs have absolutely nothing to do with each other. maybe as you got this information through someone else the information was muddled somewhere along the line. i am not sure that the person that has this dog if you tell her maybe would not appreciate everyone talking about their dog.

Have to agree with you Sue isn't that against forum rules??

[Steve]

1 Mickatie - Interestingly enough I have seen a husky that failed eye testing and has severe staining.

Were you present at examination to have 'seen' this or have you just 'heard' this?

2 Mickatie - Nope, not saying that staining and failed eyes in all cases go together, but in this paticular case the vet felt the staining was due to a failed eye test.

Based on what condition of the eye?

The parts of the eye examined are the adnexa, cornea, iris, lens, vitreous and fundus.

Congenital eye diseases examined in Aust and NZ are CEA (Collie Eye Anomaly), MRD (Multifocal Retinal Dysplasia), TRD (Total Retinal Dysplasia), CHC (Congenital Hereditary Cataract), GHPV (Persistent Hyperplastic Primary Vitreous), PPM (Persistent Pupillary Membrane) and G (Goniodysgenesis).

Non Congenital eye diseases checked on examination are GPRA (Generalised Progressive Retinal Atrophy), RPED (Retinal Pigment Epithelial Dystrophy), HC (Hereditary Cataract), PPL (Primary Lens Luxation).

None of the above are related to the tear duct.

So what new eye issue is 'out there' that has a relationship between the eye ball and tear duct of which would result in a failed eye exam?

3 Mickatie - This dog is not mine. I have notified the owner of the thread, they might come in here and 'enlighten' you.

I look forward to being 'enlightened' as this will be new for us all.

Rae

Im not sure whats going on here but it feels like its a bit nasty and sarcastic. I think part of the problem is that one is seeing 'eye exam' as those conditions listed above ; Congenital eye diseases examined in Aust and NZ are CEA (Collie Eye Anomaly), MRD (Multifocal Retinal Dysplasia), TRD (Total Retinal Dysplasia), CHC (Congenital Hereditary Cataract), GHPV (Persistent Hyperplastic Primary Vitreous), PPM (Persistent Pupillary Membrane) and G (Goniodysgenesis).

Non Congenital eye diseases checked on examination are GPRA (Generalised Progressive Retinal Atrophy), RPED (Retinal Pigment Epithelial Dystrophy), HC (Hereditary Cataract), PPL (Primary Lens Luxation).

as being tested but you may be forgetting that these are not the only eye conditions which are of a heritable nature which will most definitely cause tearing and should cause a failed eye test.I bred a litter of beagles once which failed their eye tests because 3 in the litter had districhiasis.

Epiphora or blocked tear ducts are not the only eye condition which causes tear staining and any vet can pick up several eye issues which are not on the above list which will cause this which are not associated with the actual tear duct.

Entropian,trichiasis,districhiasis ,corneal ulcers are a few .These are seen by the naked eye so they dont come under the things normally looked at by a specialist eye vet because the assumption is that they will be picked up in any vet surgery.That doesnt mean the causes are not genetic or that anyone is saying something which isnt true.

If you add apple cider vinegar to the drinking water it will stop the staining but not the cause of the watery eyes.

[Steve]

Im not saying it was failed DUE to staining, who ever the vet was said that the staining occured due to the issue resulting in the failed eye test.

maybe you misunderstood or i did, what i am saying is failing an eye test before or after eye staining occurs have absolutely nothing to do with each other. maybe as you got this information through someone else the information was muddled somewhere along the line. i am not sure that the person that has this dog if you tell her maybe would not appreciate everyone talking about their dog.

Have to agree with you Sue isn't that against forum rules??

No this isnt against forum rules because in this case the owner has given permission for the thing to be spoken about but even if they hadnt nothing has been said here to identify the owner or the dog.

[Steve]

I would be curious of a huskies drainage angles, if tilted incorrectly.

I would be interested to see the result of a gonioscopy eye test also on such a dog.

I would really doubt very much that the Gonio results would have any bearing on eye-staining whatsoever.

Both my older sibes (15 & 12) have poor and moderate drainage angles and NEITHER has had any staining at all ever - one is a silver/grey, the other an agouti. In fact BOTH have perfect eyesight!

Rae

Your dogs may have poor and moderate drainage angles which dont result in staining but a dog which has severe drainage angles may show tearing and Gonioscopy can also find scarring or other damage to the drainage angle which may explain why a dog would be staining.

[wildchild]

No this isnt against forum rules because in this case the owner has given permission for the thing to be spoken about but even if they hadnt nothing has been said here to identify the owner or the dog.

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Thanks Steve

I haven't asked this question on a specific dog, all I have asked is what could cause eye staining in a Siberian Husky - it is a general question. I have not cast suspician on anyone with my question, and as I am associated with the breed, I feel I should know these things, to improve my knowledge on the breed in general.

Thank you everyone for your replies so far, I have found them informational and helpful, and I welcome any replies that are associated with what would cause the eye staining - even if it has been mentioned before, and I would love to see some more Siberian Husky breeders reply. Please do not reply if you do not have useful information to add to this thread. Thanks

[~Myschafis~]

Very informative posts Steve thank you..You said it much better than I could've

[SilverHaze]

Im not sure whats going on here but it feels like its a bit nasty and sarcastic. I think part of the problem is that one is seeing 'eye exam' as those conditions listed above ; Congenital eye diseases examined in Aust and NZ are CEA (Collie Eye Anomaly), MRD (Multifocal Retinal Dysplasia), TRD (Total Retinal Dysplasia), CHC (Congenital Hereditary Cataract), GHPV (Persistent Hyperplastic Primary Vitreous), PPM (Persistent Pupillary Membrane) and G (Goniodysgenesis).

Non Congenital eye diseases checked on examination are GPRA (Generalised Progressive Retinal Atrophy), RPED (Retinal Pigment Epithelial Dystrophy), HC (Hereditary Cataract), PPL (Primary Lens Luxation).

as being tested but you may be forgetting that these are not the only eye conditions which are of a heritable nature which will most definitely cause tearing and should cause a failed eye test.I bred a litter of beagles once which failed their eye tests because 3 in the litter had districhiasis.

Epiphora or blocked tear ducts are not the only eye condition which causes tear staining and any vet can pick up several eye issues which are not on the above list which will cause this which are not associated with the actual tear duct.

Entropian,trichiasis,districhiasis ,corneal ulcers are a few .These are seen by the naked eye so they dont come under the things normally looked at by a specialist eye vet because the assumption is that they will be picked up in any vet surgery.That doesnt mean the causes are not genetic or that anyone is saying something which isnt true.

If you add apple cider vinegar to the drinking water it will stop the staining but not the cause of the watery eyes.

As this is why i politely and correctly asked - "what did the dog fail the eye test for?"

[~Myschafis~]

I have not received an answer in regards to the specific issue with this dogs eyes, if they are able to tell me I will get back to you.

From memory though, I do believe that it did coincide with the gonio testing, perhaps it was severe drainage angles that caused tearing such as Steve suggested, but until I get confirmation that is nothing more than speculation. My first post in regards to gonio though was in reference to my belief it did coincide with this particular dog for whatever reason.

[SnoFyre]

Has anybody found that staining is more common in one colour over another in the Siberian Husky?

I know with my red girl she has a very slight stain in the corner of her eyes, upon closer inspection it is actually coat colour. That said, she does suffer from hayfever and will get the sneezes in spring or when there is a lot of dust blowing about.

The information here has been very enlightening

Edited May 8, 2008 by SnoFyre

[~Myschafis~]

I haven't found any dogs to have staining at all that are mine personally or have lived with me.

But I agree with the comments in regards to markings, some can be deceiving.

[Hotwyr]

Im not sure whats going on here but it feels like its a bit nasty and sarcastic. I think part of the problem is that one is seeing 'eye exam' as those conditions listed above ; Congenital eye diseases examined in Aust and NZ are CEA (Collie Eye Anomaly), MRD (Multifocal Retinal Dysplasia), TRD (Total Retinal Dysplasia), CHC (Congenital Hereditary Cataract), GHPV (Persistent Hyperplastic Primary Vitreous), PPM (Persistent Pupillary Membrane) and G (Goniodysgenesis).

Non Congenital eye diseases checked on examination are GPRA (Generalised Progressive Retinal Atrophy), RPED (Retinal Pigment Epithelial Dystrophy), HC (Hereditary Cataract), PPL (Primary Lens Luxation).

as being tested but you may be forgetting that these are not the only eye conditions which are of a heritable nature which will most definitely cause tearing and should cause a failed eye test.I bred a litter of beagles once which failed their eye tests because 3 in the litter had districhiasis.

Epiphora or blocked tear ducts are not the only eye condition which causes tear staining and any vet can pick up several eye issues which are not on the above list which will cause this which are not associated with the actual tear duct.

Entropian,trichiasis,districhiasis ,corneal ulcers are a few .These are seen by the naked eye so they dont come under the things normally looked at by a specialist eye vet because the assumption is that they will be picked up in any vet surgery.That doesnt mean the causes are not genetic or that anyone is saying something which isnt true.

If you add apple cider vinegar to the drinking water it will stop the staining but not the cause of the watery eyes.

Actually Steve, I am the one who is not sure what is going on here......

Why are you responding to my post or any of the posts on here?? Surely you have more important things to do as a forum moderator?...... it feels to me like playing favourites.....

Believe me - you would know if I was being sarcastic or nasty when I write something - it would leave NO doubt.

I was just wondering what the diagnosis was to lead to such a statement about drainage angles and tear staining.....I have a distinct aversion to only getting snippets of information - why post if you won't tell the full story - sans names of course...

I am a registered nurse of 20 years experience - I have been in dogs 15 years and have a great interest in all canine genetics specifically disorders of the Gastro-intestinal kind and eye diseases in Siberian Huskies.....

I just don't make it known as when you go off on a long explaination about disease/disease processes and genetics most people turn off or don't fully understand the words etc......

I believe totally in Keep It Simple.....and I like to be able to have my say, in my way without feeling like people are going to run off and tell on me......this is just too weird

Rae

Edited May 8, 2008 by Hotwyr