NoodleNut Posted April 29, 2008 Share Posted April 29, 2008 Let me explain about the 'auto pilot' problem ... Noodle is nearly 22 weeks and I have just found this part of DOL .... "smart dog" I think .. "why not try out a few of the tricks .. good mental stimulation" .. Noodle sits and drops (still working on the 'with distraction') since 13 weeks at puppy school. On Sunday night I taught her to 'roll over' following the instructions on this site .. Monday night she has it down pat. But ............................ Tonight she sits, drops and rolls over the minute she sees I have a treat .. no verbal instruction or hand signals from me at all .. hilarious I must say .. looks up at me (eyes covered by her coat) as if to say 'There you go mum .. where is my reward?'. I have decided not to treat this behaviour, only when I have given the signals/verbal command for each thing I want her to do .. is this the right thing to do? .. she obviously wants to please but is on auto pilot. Secondly I started working on a new one tonight .. the 'shake hands' ... she was not puttin gup her paw .. I even held her paw up and put the tiniest piece of cheese on top of her paw as a reward .. still she did not initiate it .. ahhh .. penny dropped... lino floor slippery ... she can't stay upright enougha nd slides into a drop if the paw is too far off the ground ... derr! How dumb can I be! Took her into the lounge and we had the perfect shake hands 5 times in a row! Will continue to work on this the next few nights. Noodle seems to really enjoy the work and I am amazed at how quickly she is picking it up. Too young to be teaching these tricks? We don't start obedience until this weekend so thought this would be a good diversion and fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joelle Posted April 29, 2008 Share Posted April 29, 2008 Let me explain about the 'auto pilot' problem ...Noodle is nearly 22 weeks and I have just found this part of DOL .... "smart dog" I think .. "why not try out a few of the tricks .. good mental stimulation" .. Noodle sits and drops (still working on the 'with distraction') since 13 weeks at puppy school. On Sunday night I taught her to 'roll over' following the instructions on this site .. Monday night she has it down pat. But ............................ Tonight she sits, drops and rolls over the minute she sees I have a treat .. no verbal instruction or hand signals from me at all .. hilarious I must say .. looks up at me (eyes covered by her coat) as if to say 'There you go mum .. where is my reward?'. I have decided not to treat this behaviour, only when I have given the signals/verbal command for each thing I want her to do .. is this the right thing to do? .. she obviously wants to please ;) but is on auto pilot. Secondly I started working on a new one tonight .. the 'shake hands' ... she was not puttin gup her paw .. I even held her paw up and put the tiniest piece of cheese on top of her paw as a reward .. still she did not initiate it .. ahhh .. penny dropped... lino floor slippery ... she can't stay upright enougha nd slides into a drop if the paw is too far off the ground ... derr! How dumb can I be! Took her into the lounge and we had the perfect shake hands 5 times in a row! Will continue to work on this the next few nights. Noodle seems to really enjoy the work and I am amazed at how quickly she is picking it up. Too young to be teaching these tricks? We don't start obedience until this weekend so thought this would be a good diversion and fun. Clever girl I dont think she is too young to learn the ricks, my dogs both learned cool tricks at a young age. If nothing else, it helps to build a rapport between you and dogs, but also teaches them to work for their dinner ;) Keeps their brain working too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FGM Posted April 29, 2008 Share Posted April 29, 2008 My Josie also does an autopilot thing with all her tricks she does.I think you are doing the right thing by ignoring the autopilot and rewarding what "you" want not what she is offering you.Its actually good that she is offering you behaviours,means she has the drive to please you!Also as above it does help you build up your rapport and relationship with your dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatevah Posted April 29, 2008 Share Posted April 29, 2008 I would teach the tricks in different orders. Maybe sometimes just ask for sit and leave it at that. Some times just drop, sometimes sit and then paw, sometimes drop then sit and nothing. Keep mixing it up then you will reduce the anticipation. But I think anticipation is a good thing, it shows the dog wants to work, nothing worse than a dog who is unmotivated. You can teach tricks to dogs at any age, check out my video youtube channel and you will see the different ages I taught tricks. Some assistance dogs start there training at 5 weeks old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoodleNut Posted April 30, 2008 Author Share Posted April 30, 2008 I would teach the tricks in different orders. Maybe sometimes just ask for sit and leave it at that. Some times just drop, sometimes sit and then paw, sometimes drop then sit and nothing. Keep mixing it up then you will reduce the anticipation. But I think anticipation is a good thing, it shows the dog wants to work, nothing worse than a dog who is unmotivated. You can teach tricks to dogs at any age, check out my video youtube channel and you will see the different ages I taught tricks. Some assistance dogs start there training at 5 weeks old. Thanks whatevah, I am mixing them up .. haven't done any training as yet today so will continue to mix the commands/signals up again tonight. I agree she is very motivated and keen to please - BIG bonus! Suppose I can't expect TOO much when I only started the roll over and shake hands in the past 3 days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatevah Posted April 30, 2008 Share Posted April 30, 2008 One of my dogs used to drop and then rollover straight away, because I was too caught up in the pattern. You will also notice a lot of obedience dogs run and sit in front of the handler and then do the finish without waiting to be told or some dogs run back to the handler and don't bother with the sit in front like they should and go straight around to heel. A lot of dogs with signals exercises will do a sit or drop without waiting for the signal because they know whats coming next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted April 30, 2008 Share Posted April 30, 2008 (edited) Dogs wffering learned behaviours anticpating a reward is pretty common. Is Noodle clicker trained? Have you been free shaping behaviours? Not rewarding uncued behaviours and changing orders around is the way to go here. Edited April 30, 2008 by poodlefan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoodleNut Posted April 30, 2008 Author Share Posted April 30, 2008 Dogs wffering learned behaviours anticpating a reward is pretty common. Is Noodle clicker trained? Have you been free shaping behaviours?Not rewarding uncued behaviours and changing orders around is the way to go here. Hi, What does 'free shaping behaviours mean' sorry ... I am new to this :rolleyes: No she isn't clicker tained .. only using treats (usually tiny bits of cheese .. nothing else 'turns her on' unless it is bit of hotdog and than goes through her .... grose!) as she is only 5 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted April 30, 2008 Share Posted April 30, 2008 (edited) Free shaping behaviour means waiting for the dog to offer all or part of a desired behaviour, and marking and rewarding anything desireable that is offered. For example, if you want the dog to put a paw on a box, you start off rewarding when the dog looks at the box, graduate towards rewarding movement towards the box, reward any kind of touching the box and then reward paws on the box. Free shaping is used a lot for training exotic animals and for less easily lured behaviours like sneezing etc. Edited April 30, 2008 by poodlefan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoodleNut Posted April 30, 2008 Author Share Posted April 30, 2008 Free shaping behaviour means waiting for the dog to offer all or part of a desired behaviour, and marking and rewarding anything desireable that is offered. For example, if you want the dog to put a paw on a box, you start off rewarding when the dog looks at the box, graduate towards rewarding movement towards the box, reward any kind of touching the box and then reward paws on the box. Free shaping is used a lot for training exotic animals and for less easily lured behaviours like sneezing etc. Thanks for the explanation .. yes I have been doing that ... even though I didn't know it at the time LOL. Is there a good time to go from food reward to a clicker? Cold Turkey or clicker then treat is that right (I remember this somewhere in one of the books I read .. need to revisit this I think) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted April 30, 2008 Share Posted April 30, 2008 (edited) The clicker is just a marker.. it tells the dog it's done the right thing. Rewarding comes after the marker, every time initially and then randomized. Quite a few people use a verbal marker like "yes" also or instead of a clicker. When you first start to use a clicker you "charge" it so that the dog learns that hearing the clicker means it's done something good and can anticipate a reward. Edited April 30, 2008 by poodlefan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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