Run Size And Use

[Luke GSP]

This thread is really aimed at Steve from K9 Force but I am interested in anybodies views as to the idea? In an earlier thread K9 Force mentioned that his dogs are mainly kept in pens when not interacting with him the thread was "Socialisation & Neutralisation, K9's view." I have been wondering about the positives/negatives of penning your dog during the day for a couple of reasons.

A, if they are in a run during the day rather than running round our garden chasing birds, lizards and snakes etc you/I would be the key to all things interesting as when I am not there they would be in a run and with the absence of the aforementioned stimuli should be really up for training etc when I am with them.

B, Our male has become a bit of an escape artist of late and obviously a secure run would be harder to get out of than our garden.

C, One of my dogs has a contact allergy that we feel is plant based so a concrete floored run should hopefully mean less alergic reaction as his time on grass etc would be much less.

If I were to go down this road should my two be put in a 5M X 5M run together or in two 2.5M X 5M runs?

[cramet]

i pen my boy so he cant get out

and he has his own space

if i were to build next pens i would do side by side pens

2 - 2.5m wide 5m long is big enough for each do

Edited April 15, 2008 by cramet

[Steve K9Pro]

This thread is really aimed at Steve from K9 Force but I am interested in anybodies views as to the idea? In an earlier thread K9 Force mentioned that his dogs are mainly kept in pens when not interacting with him the thread was "Socialisation & Neutralisation, K9's view." I have been wondering about the positives/negatives of penning your dog during the day for a couple of reasons.

A, if they are in a run during the day rather than running round our garden chasing birds, lizards and snakes etc you/I would be the key to all things interesting as when I am not there they would be in a run and with the absence of the aforementioned stimuli should be really up for training etc when I am with them.

K9: Yes of course it will, if they can satisfy their drives or even part of their drives that leaves none or less for your training.

B, Our male has become a bit of an escape artist of late and obviously a secure run would be harder to get out of than our garden.

C, One of my dogs has a contact allergy that we feel is plant based so a concrete floored run should hopefully mean less alergic reaction as his time on grass etc would be much less.

If I were to go down this road should my two be put in a 5M X 5M run together or in two 2.5M X 5M runs?

K9: we sell an inexpensive Large Dog Run for under $550.00 that is 2.3 (wide) x 3.8m (long) that is fine for two large dogs to be penned or one dog per run, these have proven very successful for a number of people training through my methods.

My own dogs currently are not penned any longer, they are retired now. They are penned when I am in a lesson, they are crated when inside with us.

[Luke GSP]

This thread is really aimed at Steve from K9 Force but I am interested in anybodies views as to the idea? In an earlier thread K9 Force mentioned that his dogs are mainly kept in pens when not interacting with him the thread was "Socialisation & Neutralisation, K9's view." I have been wondering about the positives/negatives of penning your dog during the day for a couple of reasons.

A, if they are in a run during the day rather than running round our garden chasing birds, lizards and snakes etc you/I would be the key to all things interesting as when I am not there they would be in a run and with the absence of the aforementioned stimuli should be really up for training etc when I am with them.

K9: Yes of course it will, if they can satisfy their drives or even part of their drives that leaves none or less for your training.

B, Our male has become a bit of an escape artist of late and obviously a secure run would be harder to get out of than our garden.

C, One of my dogs has a contact allergy that we feel is plant based so a concrete floored run should hopefully mean less alergic reaction as his time on grass etc would be much less.

If I were to go down this road should my two be put in a 5M X 5M run together or in two 2.5M X 5M runs?

K9: we sell an inexpensive Large Dog Run for under $550.00 that is 2.3 (wide) x 3.8m (long) that is fine for two large dogs to be penned or one dog per run, these have proven very successful for a number of people training through my methods.

My own dogs currently are not penned any longer, they are retired now. They are penned when I am in a lesson, they are crated when inside with us.

Steve,

If they were in together would/could that affect there drives as opposed to seperate runs side by side or would the differance probably be minimal?

Luke

[Steve K9Pro]

Steve,

If they were in together would/could that affect there drives as opposed to seperate runs side by side or would the differance probably be minimal?

Luke

K9: I would pen them separate for two reasons, 1 being that if the play in the pen, some drive used up 2. Dogs that spend more time together than with the human can become too doggy

[Luke GSP]

Steve,

If they were in together would/could that affect there drives as opposed to seperate runs side by side or would the differance probably be minimal?

Luke

K9: I would pen them separate for two reasons, 1 being that if the play in the pen, some drive used up 2. Dogs that spend more time together than with the human can become too doggy

Thanks K9,

I'll look in to making two 2.5M X 5M runs. I assume that these would be big enough? They are adult GSP's.

Luke

[Rysup]

Our 3 Amstaffs are each in a 3m x 8m run, for their own safety, as well as the safety of my other dogs and my son. They are just too big and too rough for everyone, including each other!

[Lablover]

This thread is really aimed at Steve from K9 Force but I am interested in anybodies views as to the idea? In an earlier thread K9 Force mentioned that his dogs are mainly kept in pens when not interacting with him the thread was "Socialisation & Neutralisation, K9's view." I have been wondering about the positives/negatives of penning your dog during the day for a couple of reasons.

A, if they are in a run during the day rather than running round our garden chasing birds, lizards and snakes etc you/I would be the key to all things interesting as when I am not there they would be in a run and with the absence of the aforementioned stimuli should be really up for training etc when I am with them.

B, Our male has become a bit of an escape artist of late and obviously a secure run would be harder to get out of than our garden.

C, One of my dogs has a contact allergy that we feel is plant based so a concrete floored run should hopefully mean less alergic reaction as his time on grass etc would be much less.

If I were to go down this road should my two be put in a 5M X 5M run together or in two 2.5M X 5M runs?

A B C - all excellent points. Are they entire, different sexes? I pen two of my youngsters at night, when leaving them for periods of time, or when visitors who - may not be aware of how gates need closing.

From time to time one may have an upset stomach, rare - all the same, it is good to know who may be feeling not quite right, by results in the enclosures.

Edited April 16, 2008 by Lablover

[Luke GSP]

This thread is really aimed at Steve from K9 Force but I am interested in anybodies views as to the idea? In an earlier thread K9 Force mentioned that his dogs are mainly kept in pens when not interacting with him the thread was "Socialisation & Neutralisation, K9's view." I have been wondering about the positives/negatives of penning your dog during the day for a couple of reasons.

A, if they are in a run during the day rather than running round our garden chasing birds, lizards and snakes etc you/I would be the key to all things interesting as when I am not there they would be in a run and with the absence of the aforementioned stimuli should be really up for training etc when I am with them.

B, Our male has become a bit of an escape artist of late and obviously a secure run would be harder to get out of than our garden.

C, One of my dogs has a contact allergy that we feel is plant based so a concrete floored run should hopefully mean less alergic reaction as his time on grass etc would be much less.

If I were to go down this road should my two be put in a 5M X 5M run together or in two 2.5M X 5M runs?

A B C - all excellent points. Are they entire, different sexes? I pen two of my youngsters at night, when leaving them for periods of time, or when visitors who - may not be aware of how gates need closing.

From time to time one may have an upset stomach, rare - all the same, it is good to know who may be feeling not quite right, by results in the enclosures.

They are both desexed one male, one female they love goofing around chasing round the garden etc with each other but obviously they are also self serving when it comes to fulfilling their drives. Other than the escaping issue they are very happy together. I was just wondering 1, if my theory was on the money and would truly benefit there training 2, if there was a possible downside and 3 how big a run I would need for the two of them?

Due to space issues it is looking like seperate pens may be out of the question but I will have to see. At least it will give the local wildlife a break from my two's over zealous noses!

[Lablover]

Sorry for the delay in replying, been away AGAIN, dog training.

My runs, have a roof, (safe trees for shades nearby), old gum removed for safety sake), heavy duty wiring, shadecloth, on a concrete base (poured/leveled with slight angle/tilt for run off if hosing required (bore water in our case), semi rough finish, power and fresh water, and each has a kennel (with old blankets in winter).

They measure 3.7 by 2.7. They sound grand, but are in fact ex large potting sheds.

[Lablover]

Luke, BTW, just a thought.

The large training facility I visited, for 6 weeks, had 3 full time professional trainers. The dogs basically spent their whole working lives at the kennel. Owners paid $650 per month, and a few had dogs with other pros. Entering and competing fees were about $400 per month. Not cheap!!!!!!!

Generally the dogs were not allowed much freedom until well through basics, at about 18 months of age, as training was a very high standard.

Edited April 23, 2008 by Lablover