storm Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 I have a old oes vet puts in the age range of 8-9yrs, he has all the normal old age signs and thats fine. The biggest problem is he has a horrible smell to him, he has been clipped right back to nothing and hydrobathed numerous time and still have the smell. His teeth aren't the best whats left of them, he has a heart condition so the vet doesnt want to put him under just to clean his teeth. He is feed a barf diet, I have put rocks in the water bowl as he squats to pee and is killing the grass. He also gets Dr Bruces vets natural Joint Formula in his food every day and that has made a big difference to his movement in the last month. He is starting to play now with our other oes, granted he looks like a spastic chook with all 4 legs not very co-ordinated but he seems happy. Is there anything I could give him to help with his smell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavandra Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 Chlorophyl liquid from the health food shop for body odour (dont know how good it is for long term, but breeders use it to mask bitch in season scent) . Antibiotics if his gums are infected,try wiping his teeth over or scale them yourself, charcoal tablets for bad breath..............Make sure he is always completely blow dried after a bath/getting wet.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storm Posted March 27, 2008 Author Share Posted March 27, 2008 Chlorophyl liquid from the health food shop for body odour (dont know how good it is for long term, but breeders use it to mask bitch in season scent) . Antibiotics if his gums are infected,try wiping his teeth over or scale them yourself, charcoal tablets for bad breath..............Make sure he is always completely blow dried after a bath/getting wet.......... I do dry him completely but he wont sleep inside at night likes to lay outside under the stars and usually gets damp from the dew. If I pen him he howls. When I say pen its part of the garage that is pens so its a area of 12 ft by 20ft covered He also wont lay on a mat or anything comfortable no matter how I try His teeth are about a mm above the gum line. I will get some charcoal and chlorophyl today, How much should I give he weights 36kilos? Thanks for your help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheree_e4 Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 It will be his teeth,you need to have them cleaned - The problem with teeth is if they are bad it can lead to worse heart problems when bacteria from the teeth travels into a pet's bloodstream, the lungs, heart, kidneys, liver and nervous system can be affected. It can cause serious organ damage and even death. You would be better to risk the surgery than not do it. Just make sure you have full bloods done before the dental. We regurlary do dentals on older dogs sometimes 3 a day and We have never had a problem :rolleyes: .We use a very safe GA called Isoflourane which allows the dogs to wake up quickly,we have several different monitors on aswell to be as safe as possible. Try to find a vet who is experienced in doing dentals on older dogs,and uses a proper dental machine,not just scrapes by hand. I had my 17 yr old dogs teeth cleaned and several removed, and she had a heart mumer.She was so much happier after the op but sadly had to be PTS at 18 as she went senile to a point that is was not fair to keep her for my own reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavandra Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 Sheree is right re the poison making the dog sick over time & affecting the other organs, I too would always opt for a dental on my old ones. However, if your Vet has said they are against it, I would change Vets as they wouldnt have said that if they were good at this procedure & experienced in anaesthetics...........We have a Vet in this area who is forever losing dogs under GA or post op, usually young healthy dogs for routine procedures, so it is VERY important to go to a reputable & knowledgeable Vet ...The risk is low these days......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poodle wrangler Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 Another thought is..... ears? Once you've smelled yeasty, mildly infected ears you don't forget the smell. Just a thought ... Best wishes whatever you decide. You don't hear a lot about dental disease causing other health problems, but research suggests it's very important for humans- for prevention of heart disease through to better pregnancy outcomes :rolleyes: . Antibiotics may still help the gum disease- you'd have to ask the vet- if you don't want to go for the general anaesthetic option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storm Posted March 27, 2008 Author Share Posted March 27, 2008 Have cleaned his ears as they were moving when he first arrived and it took about a month to get them nice and clean. I agree the smell of infected ears is disgusting. He has a crinkle ear dont know what else to call it, its about 1/2 size of his other ear and he doesnt like you to touch it seems very tender to him. Instead of being flat its full of ridges and quite hard to touch, god only knows what happened. Its like ironing something with the iron to hot and it scrunches up the fabric I will look for another vet and see how he goes. He is an adorable old chook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caesars mum Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 Have cleaned his ears as they were moving when he first arrived and it took about a month to get them nice and clean.I agree the smell of infected ears is disgusting. He has a crinkle ear dont know what else to call it, its about 1/2 size of his other ear and he doesnt like you to touch it seems very tender to him. Instead of being flat its full of ridges and quite hard to touch, god only knows what happened. Its like ironing something with the iron to hot and it scrunches up the fabric I will look for another vet and see how he goes. He is an adorable old chook Storm Mega has the same ear issue from old haematomas from shaking her head. She also has a smell and her ears are always dirty, I now clean them out at least 3 times a week and this has helped with the smell, I have a vet appointment on saturday to recheck her eyes as they seem to flare up when ever there is dust about. I will get him to check her teeth out at the same time after reading this thread as hers are just like you describe. Good luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storm Posted March 27, 2008 Author Share Posted March 27, 2008 Need photos of mega please, hope her vet appointment goes well. Another thing with Archie is when you put him in the car he shakes like he is terrified, so don't like putting him through that if possible. Even walked him to the vet last time and he was overwhelmed, rescue remedy didn't seem to do much for either of us...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caesars mum Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 Storm I'm glad Mega loves the car as trying to convince 70kg to climb in would be no fun. I will load new pictures up on the weekend. I know what you mean about them looking funny when they play with the others, Mega loves a romp with Nala and she bounces around like an over inflated beach ball for about a minute and then colapses in a heap and sleeps it off. Will let you know what the vet says about the smell on saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caesars mum Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 just one of Mega smiling for a tummy rub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storm Posted March 27, 2008 Author Share Posted March 27, 2008 she is so cute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucknow Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 For the 'old dog' smell, I would be looking first at his skin condition. If it is his mouth you would notice smell mainly when he is in your face . The ear also sounds like an old haematoma to me, shouldn't cause problems, is just an indication of previous issues. I presume you have had them rechecked? The degree of anaesthetic risk depends on how bad his heart problem is - no vet is going to be keen to put a dog with a grade 6 HM under anaesthetic even with Iso which is standard anaesthetic for most vets these days. Ground teeth do not automatically mean unhealthy gums. I guess it comes down to the amount of faith you have in your vets expertise/opinion. A second opinion never hurts especially if you have doubts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Dogs with kidney problems have a peculiar smell sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jed Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Try adding apple cider vinegar to his drinking water, or if he wont drink it, to his food. It wont hurt the others if they drink it. Also try adding some apple cider vinegar to a bucket of water and rinsing him in it. That might helpl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storm Posted March 29, 2008 Author Share Posted March 29, 2008 Try adding apple cider vinegar to his drinking water, or if he wont drink it, to his food. It wont hurt the others if they drink it.Also try adding some apple cider vinegar to a bucket of water and rinsing him in it. That might helpl I had apple cider vinegar in the water but didn't seem to be making any difference and he was still killing the grass. Can I do both vinegar and the rocks? I will try the rinsing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storm Posted March 29, 2008 Author Share Posted March 29, 2008 Dogs with kidney problems have a peculiar smell sometimes. That was my guess as well. In the last couple of days he has shown other signs and I think I will need to do the right thing by him early next week. Having trouble getting up, walking extremely stiffly, back end shakes uncontrollably, barking at nothing, walking into walls and growling when there is nothing near him and snapping at nothing, closest dog can be 6ft + away Then when I think its time to go be bounces around like a nut for a few minutes and looks at me like "how dare you even think that". Bloody dogs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poodle wrangler Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 Our dogs sometimes need us to be strong for them and make tough decisions. Is harder for us than them. Best wishes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caesars mum Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 HI Storm I was sadden to hear that Archie has other issues. I asked the vet about Mega's smell and he is inclined to think it is Malassezia and gave me Malaseb to wash her in a couple of times a week to start with and wean it down to once a fortnight. Her eyes definately suffer from dry eye and he has given me a new ointment to try to help with the muck build up and irritation. But apart from that is is really well and he is very happy with how far she has come since he first saw her. I will try to get to a computer tonight to add some new photos of her and the other terrible two. all the best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 Sometimes old dogs just have an old dog smell for no other reason other than they are old. Just like people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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