Vaccinations

[chuckie500]

I dropped by at my vets this afternoon and there on the counter was a info sheet re: vaccinations.

Apparently there is a new three yearly vaccine for the C3. It is different i think to the annual ones. Kennel cough & heart worm are still annual. Has anyone had the new 3 yearly vaccines? How are they different to the annual ones?

[lucknow]

My understanding is the manufacturers have spent more on testing/licensing it as a 3 year. Still the basic garden variety vaccine, they all work pretty much the same.

[tramissa]

If you do a search, you'll find many threads about this About to hop off the puter otherwise I'd post a few links for you - but the basic search should bring them all up.

Same vaccines - just proven now that they have a longer protection period than first thought, and that by doing them every year, you are actually lowering the immunity of the dog.

[Guest Tess32]

Tons of threads on vaccinations

The new protocol that every vet should be promoting is a three year gap, minimum. Yearly vaccs are no longer required and as tram said, are detrimental to the immune system.

Savvy vets now recommend that instead of vaccinating for no reason, that you "titer test" your dog (blood test) to see if the dog even needs re-vaccination. MOST do not as immunity can last a life time.

[chuckie500]

I had the impression it was a new vaccine and cost a little bit more but only once every three years.

[Guest Tess32]

There are some new vaccines like Nobivac that supposedly work on puppies even if maternal antibodies are present (these can interfere with normal vaccines). But all vaccinations have always lasted longer than a year.

[oakway]

The same vaccine, the same bottle, just a new label with 3 years on it.

If your dog is correctally vaccinated in the first time, you should have life time protection.

[Cavandra]

I had the impression it was a new vaccine and cost a little bit more but only once every three years.

It is a rip off, they are concerned about the loss of income from annual shots, so have put the price up to compensate. It is the same vaccine. Vaccines are not necessary annually & never have been. Once a dog has been vaccinated on an adult healthy immune system it most often lasts for "life".

The annual heartworm shot is something many of us avoid at all costs, and recommend our puppy buyers stand firm when their Vets try to sell it to them. Again there are many threads about this subject too.

[Poodle wrangler]

Protech Duramune C3 works for 3 years+

Sorry can't find the original link, this is an edited cut and paste ...

Gazette APVMA 6, 7 June 2005 page 12

NOTICE OF REGISTRATION OF AGRICULTURAL AND VETERINARY CHEMICAL PRODUCTS

Pursuant to the Agricultural and Veterinary Chemicals Code scheduled to the Agricultural and Veterinary Chemicals Code Act 1994, the APVMA hereby gives notice that it has registered or varied the registration in respect of the following products, with effect from the dates shown.

VETERINARY CHEMICAL PRODUCTS

1. RESTRICTED PRODUCT:

“No Entries”

2. VETERINARY PRODUCTS BASED ON NEW ACTIVE CONSTITUENTS:

“No Entries”

3. VETERINARY PRODUCTS BASED ON EXISTING ACTIVE CONSTITUENTS:

..............

4.VARIATIONS

Product Name: Protech Duramune C3 Canine Distemper, Adenovirus & Parvovirus Live Vaccine

Applicant Name: Fort Dodge Australia Pty Limited

Summary of Use: The changes included the instruction leaflet to indicate that the vaccine are efficacious and protective in six week of age and older dogs for up to thirty-nine months following a second vaccination.

Date of Variation: 4 April 2005

Label Approval No: 51487/0205

..............

Cheryl Venables

Pesticides Division

Australian Pesticides and Veterinary Medicines Authority

PO Box E240

KINGSTON ACT 2604

Phone: (02) 6272 3894

Fax: (02) 6272 3218

Email: [email protected]

Titre testing is the "gold standard". Only problem if the dogs results are poor, you still have the cost of vaccination on top of the titre testing, making it a much more expensive option.

[Sayreovi]

I used this last year and you are supposed to go back in every year to get the KC booster.....that way the vet doesnt lose out money by offering a three year vaccine. Though my dogs wont be having any more vaccines, i just wish that the CCs catch up with the times and allow people to titre test instead of vaccinating every year.

[stormie]

Going to be interesting to see how this 3year protocol holds up against the new strain of Parvo (CPV-2c) thats hit the USA. Said to be affecting adult dogs, as well as dogs with lower range immunity against the current strain we vaccinate against.

Not in australia (yet), but still, those who follow the 3year protocol, might still be worth having titre tests done to make sure the parvo immunity is still high.

[InspectorRex]

Our Vet is using the new Nobivac DHP(distemper, hepatitis, parvo) that last for 3 years and the intranasal KC Nobivac and has not increased their prices at all.Very happy with my Vet :D

[Sayreovi]

Going to be interesting to see how this 3year protocol holds up against the new strain of Parvo (CPV-2c) thats hit the USA. Said to be affecting adult dogs, as well as dogs with lower range immunity against the current strain we vaccinate against.

Not in australia (yet), but still, those who follow the 3year protocol, might still be worth having titre tests done to make sure the parvo immunity is still high.

If its a new strain...do they have a vaccine to cover that strain? If not, its not going to help the dogs to vaccinate agan IMO.

AFAIK the current vaccine only covers one strain of parvo, which is why vaccinated dogs with apparant 'high immunity' can still get parvo.

[Guest Tess32]

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?.../19/petscol.DTL

"Do current vaccines protect against CPV-2c? All indications are that yes, they do. Kennedy told me that parvo in dogs simply hasn't changed enough since its emergence 30 years ago that immunity to one strain doesn't also confer immunity to the others.

She referred me to a 2006 paper by Dr. Uwe Truyen, the researcher she calls the "guru of canine parvovirus," entitled "Evolution of canine parvovirus — A need for new vaccines?" In it, he concluded that the changes that had occurred in the canine parvovirus were too minor to impact immunity in adult dogs. "In the parvovirus system, the changes within the capsid protein that occurred over the last 30 years appear minute," he wrote.

Although adult dogs don't seem to face any greater risk from the new strain than from the older ones, there may be one group that is at increased risk. Very young puppies rely on their mother's antibodies to protect them from disease before they have the ability to form their own. If the mother has antibodies to the older strains, those antibodies may possibly be less effective against CPV-2c.

"My biggest concern is puppies who are totally dependent on the antibodies that they got from their mom to protect them, and in that case they don't have any backup," said Kennedy. "Adult dogs have not only antibodies but cell-mediated immunity, which can help protect them." A number of researchers, including Dr. Truyen, have noted the need for studies examining maternal antibodies and CPV-2c. "

Edited March 29, 2008 by Tess32

[Sayreovi]

MMmm thanks for the info, i think i was thinking about KC instead of Parvo....getting my wires crossed

[oakway]

Our Vet is using the new Nobivac DHP(distemper, hepatitis, parvo) that last for 3 years and the intranasal KC Nobivac and has not increased their prices at all.Very happy with my Vet

Sounds like we all need your vet.

It's a pitty that all vet's are not as forward thinking as yours.

Congratulations to your vet.

Cheers.

[Steve]

As many of you know the MDBA is sponsoring Dr Jean Dodds on her trip to Brisbane in June .[Very famous canine immunologist and specialist in vaccination protocols] She is doing two sessions - one for dog owners and breeders and another for vets .Please feel free to download our flyer from our website to give to your vets in the hope that they can atend and we can have everyone educated on whats best for our dogs.