RottnBullies Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 Hi, I'm after one that will do two dogs, that may be reasonable priced (although I know that may not be poss.) Would like to give It a go In trying to stop 2 bitches bullying another bitch. Most of the times they'll stop with a firm no, but the fact that It keeps happening Is now annoying, and I'd like to try and stop It altogether. When they're inside they're all kissing each other silly, It's just for when they're out In the backyard. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonymc Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 RotNBullies,contact Steve from K9force. Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigdogg Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 DT Systems has the best e collar as far as i am concerned.. i have one myself!! has some great features - one of the most important features is the positive vibration. have a look on their website here (micro iDTZ) the price is a lot dearer in Australia - it is a pity you cant buy them from the states and get them sent to you.. if you want any more info pm me - pretty sure oz price is $699 for a 2 collar system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 BD: DT Systems has the best e collar as far as i am concerned.. i have one myself!! K9: what have you compared them too? BD: has some great features - one of the most important features is the positive vibration. K9: Actually in many of the tests I have done, the large majority of dogs find the vibration frightening, how many dogs have you tried this on? We can get this brand, its something we have chosen not to though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigdogg Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 K9: what have you compared them too? what is on the market in Australia.. Dogtra do also have a good solution K9: Actually in many of the tests I have done, the large majority of dogs find the vibration frightening, how many dogs have you tried this on? not enough obviously as everyone i have talked to that has used the positive vibration likes the idea and i have not heard any bad reports from the vibration.. seeing as DT Systems is the 2nd oldest manufacturer of electronic dog products in the US you would like to think they know what they are doing.. The largest does not import to Australia. We can get this brand, its something we have chosen not to though... might be worth looking into - please inform me what is the best on the market today price vs features.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 (edited) BD: not enough obviously as everyone i have talked to that has used the positive vibration likes the idea and i have not heard any bad reports from the vibration.. K9: I too think the idea is good, however when you try this on lots of dogs, you will find a large majority will not react favourably. Maybe do a search on here & see what comes up? Its not impossible to pair the vibration with something positive, I personally have just found that pairing something that starts as a severe negative (to the dog) takes some time to convert to positive, sometimes not possible at all. I have preferred in the past to use alternatives that dont start negative. I have never thought it neccessary to use the vibration feature to deliver my positives. BD: seeing as DT Systems is the 2nd oldest manufacturer of electronic dog products in the US you would like to think they know what they are doing.. K9: I dont think the length of time in production is a top of the list priority in choosing electronics, maybe thats just me. BD: might be worth looking into - please inform me what is the best on the market today price vs features.. K9: Sorry if I wasnt clear, I have looked into it, tested a few collars, & decided that they werent what we would recommend. I prefer Dogtra over anything else in remote trainers. Containment systems Innotek, no bark collars vary between a few dependant on a few variables. Some considerations that took place in this situation that did fall on top of my list were: - Reliability Durability Build quality Consistency of levels (often levelled collars different outputs on different days) Usefulness of features. We test the hell out of anything we recommend. Edited March 17, 2008 by K9 Force Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigdogg Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 No worries - thanks for your reply.. I am still very happy with my DT Systems trainer.. The price and features did swing me on the day - that is just my opinion though.. Dogtra was definitely no. 2 pick.. Thanks again Bigdogg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RottnBullies Posted March 17, 2008 Author Share Posted March 17, 2008 Thanks for the info, :rolleyes: Just another question though, Is It possible to stim 2 dogs at once If need be? Or do I need to do one then the other? Coz at times I would need to stim 2 at the same time. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigdogg Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 with the DT systems one - no you can not.. it is really easy to swap though.. K9 Force will be able to fill you in on what the Dogtra models can do.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruthless Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 Nope, with my Dogtra you can't. If you wanted to do that you'd need 2 collars and 2 remotes. Do you think both dogs start the fight every time? I would've thought it was a case that one starts and the other doesn't back down. Maybe they rotate who starts, but you should only need to correct one to stop a fight breaking out. If you watch their body language like a hawk you'll learn to pick up on what the signs are. [Waiting for K9 to come in and correct me! :rolleyes:] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RottnBullies Posted March 17, 2008 Author Share Posted March 17, 2008 Thanks Ruthless, but It's not who you think It Is :rolleyes: for a change! It's my other 3 bithches, they'll all go out there and do their sniffs etc, then they all freeze, and It's my 2 black bitches who bully my little staffy girl and won't let her get through, then they rush at her, no biting involved, but I can see staffy Is uncomfortable and she really doesn't like It. I feel like she can't walk around In peace without the other 2 harrassing her. It sometimes looks like a game as the rotty girl will do a play bow then they all make a run for It, but I'm pretty sure It's a dominant thing as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 (edited) BD: No worries - thanks for your reply.. I am still very happy with my DT Systems trainer.. The price and features did swing me on the day - that is just my opinion though.. Dogtra was definitely no. 2 pick.. K9: your very welcome, the DT isnt a crap collar, by any stretch, I have just used a lot of e collars, tested probably every mainstream collar including Tri Tronics & have found the Dogtras the best we can recommend RB: ust another question though, Is It possible to stim 2 dogs at once If need be?Or do I need to do one then the other? Coz at times I would need to stim 2 at the same time. K9: yes, the 1902 Dogtra has both dogs available to stim, no switches to make. But your goal wouldnt be to stim both at once... Although you could. The goal of my training style is to use the lowest level of stim possible so the dog can remain clear headed & not frightened of the stim, stimming two dogs at once means they might be driven more than normal in say rank drive which will mean higher levels of stim. R: [Waiting for K9 to come in and correct me! ] K9: ok the wait is over lol.. Edited March 18, 2008 by K9 Force Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 (edited) RB: It's my other 3 bithches, they'll all go out there and do their sniffs etc, then they all freeze, and It's my 2 black bitches who bully my little staffy girl and won't let her get through, then they rush at her, no biting involved, but I can see staffy Is uncomfortable and she really doesn't like It. I feel like she can't walk around In peace without the other 2 harrassing her. It sometimes looks like a game as the rotty girl will do a play bow then they all make a run for It, but I'm pretty sure It's a dominant thing as well K9: you have a pack structure issue there, I would (although I havent seen your dogs) be re adjusting bthe pack with more Alpha status from you, this can be done by using more obedience backed up with the e collar, but there will be other things required. Edited March 18, 2008 by K9 Force Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RottnBullies Posted March 18, 2008 Author Share Posted March 18, 2008 Thanks K9, Yep, I realise they are both trying to dominate her, (Staffy was here first too) be re adjusting bthe pack with more Alpha status from you, this can be done by using more obedience backed up with the e collar, Until I can manage to get these collars, what are some of the things I should be doing? Much appreciated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 K9: It isnt so much as them trying to dominate her, as they are correcting her, & when they do that in your presence they arent recognising you as the Alpha, so in fact they are being rank or dominant around you. Who was there first isnt a deciding factor for the dogs. It can be complicated when looking at a dog pack, too hard to say here, but I would be starting groundwork programs like my Triangle of Temptation program & NILIF programs if you havent already, these can't hurt any situation unless you have rank dogs & you apply to much direct pressure, this can get you bitten. I would also be excercising pack control through obedience & boundaries. E collars are not the only tool to sort this out, it can be done many ways, e collar is just one way (& probably the best). Best get your dogs looked at & see where they are in terms of leadership & pack structure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RottnBullies Posted March 18, 2008 Author Share Posted March 18, 2008 No probs, One other thing I've been curious about, but what does It mean when they (the 2 that are doing the correction as you say) constantly lick her (Staffy) on the face and lips? Thanks again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 K9: I could give you a text book answer but it wont help, the dogs would need to be observed & other things taken into account to give you an accurate idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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