Vaccinations Question

[superminty]

Anyone got any links to studies regarding how long the individual components (excluding KC) of a typical vaccination (parvo, hepatitis, distemper) last?

If *they* (the vaccination manufacturers) are re-packaging the usual annual vaccination as a 3 year, there must be some sort of evidence that the components have a life of 3 years or more.

I have been told (by a vet) that the parvo lasts around 18 months while the other two last 4-5 years plus, hence the need to re-vaccinate before the parvo component "runs out".

In the information I have found re: Nobivac, KC needs revaccinating annually. Nobivac has a intranasal that covers this. Same vet also says that KC only lasts 6-8 months and really needs re-doing every 6 months.

Thoughts?

Oh, also need a new vet (yet again) that does Nobivac if anyone has any recommendations in Melbourne? Preferably female that can handle a nervous dog. Thanks

[Guest Tess32]

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Edited March 4, 2008 by Tess32

[Guest Tess32]

Middle Brighton Vet Clinic has Nobivac - go to Anna or Murray.

I doubt there will be many studies on how long the vaccination lasts because it's impossible to tell and most evidence points to vaccinations lasting a lifetime.

"Relatively little has been published about the duration of immunity following vaccination, although new data are beginning to appear for both dogs and cats.

Our recent study (Twark and Dodds, 2000), evaluated 1441 dogs for CPV antibody titer and 1379 dogs for CDV antibody titer. Of these, 95.1 % were judged to have adequate CPV titers, and nearly all (97.6 %) had adequate CDV titers. Vaccine histories were available for 444 dogs (CPV) and 433 dogs (CDV). Only 43 dogs had been vaccinated within the previous year, with the majority of dogs (268 or 60%) having received a booster vaccination 1-2 years beforehand. On the basis of our data, we concluded that annual revaccination is unnecessary. Similar findings and conclusions have been published recently for dogs in New Zealand (Kyle et al, 2002), and cats (Scott and Geissinger, 1999; Lappin et al, 2002). Comprehensive studies of the duration of serologic response to five viral vaccine antigens in dogs and three viral vaccine antigens in cats were recently published by researchers at Pfizer Animal Health ( Mouzin et al, 2004).

When an adequate immune memory has already been established, there is little reason to introduce unnecessary antigen, adjuvant, and preservatives by administering booster vaccines. By titering annually, one can assess whether a given animal’s humoral immune response has fallen below levels of adequate immune memory. In that event, an appropriate vaccine booster can be administered. "

Here is some more info to understand how it works:

When an animal is vaccinated or infected, the immune response includes cloning of antigen-specific T and B cells that serve as effector cells for immediate protection and memory cells that provide long-term immunity.

The effector cells themselves are usually short lived, dying in days or weeks after stimulation.

Memory cells, on the other hand, survive for years, often for the life of an animal for some vaccines and infections. Memory T and B cells and the antibodies produced by long-lived memory effector B cells cooperate to provide protection from challenge at a later time in life for the vaccinated animals that come in contact with the disease causing agent.

This is the full site and definitely worth reading:

Vaccinations.

Edited March 4, 2008 by Tess32

[laffi]

Middle Brighton Vet Clinic has Nobivac - go to Anna or Murray.

Sorry, I am still confused.

Why do you recommend Nobivac?

Are all the vaccinations good for (at least 3 years) or just this one?

I have a 12 mo due for her vaccination soon and I want to make sure I do it right :D . From then on she will be on titer tests for at least 3 years.

I also have one that is 2 years old, who had C5 last year. With her I will try titer test this year.

Does that make sense, or have I missed something?

[Guest Tess32]

I used Nobivac because I have a pup and Nobivac is said to work even if maternal antibodies are still present (which they can be up until 20 weeks).

If I had an older dog it wouldn't matter Though, I still would want to know WHICH brand it is as not all were created equally.

But yes they all last the same amount of time :D

ETA - yep what you planned is right :D

Edited March 4, 2008 by Tess32

[laffi]

I used Nobivac because I have a pup and Nobivac is said to work even if maternal antibodies are still present (which they can be up until 20 weeks).

If I had an older dog it wouldn't matter :D Though, I still would want to know WHICH brand it is as not all were created equally.

But yes they all last the same amount of time :D

ETA - yep what you planned is right

:D

[Jed]

Try this one too Superminty. There are a lot of links at the bottom of it, which are illuminating.

http://home.earthlink.net/~pawsreflect/vaccinosis.html

And this one

http://www.weim.net/emberweims/Vaccine.html

And this one - go beyond the link given, there is a lot of good information there.

http://www.wellpet.org/vaccines/dodds-schedule.htm

Jean Dodds DVM has been researching vaccines for 20 years. She is coming to Australia in June, and will be visiting every capital city to hold seminars for vets, breeders and pet owners.

the MDBA is sponsoring the one in Brisbane, which will be held on 26th June.

Every capital city will have a seminar, and details of each seminar will be posted on this forum.

If you are interested in vaccines, this would be an excellent seminar to attend to increase your knowledge - straight from the horses mouth - and a good chance to ask all those questions you want to ask.

[superminty]

Awesome Jed I've got plenty of reading to do I see!

[Baby Dragon]

None of the vets believed me when I mentioned any of this... one of them told me that there are some 'out there' vets and owners who don't like the thought of vaccinating, but they are the dogs that end up with kennel cough. This is frustrating!

All the vets are telling me the same (3 in Qld and I even phoned one in NSW because I have a friend who works there, and she had never heard of it, but she asked the vet for me.)

So my next question is, is it possible to just get the kennel cough vaccination for your dog?

Thanks for your help guys!

Edited March 4, 2008 by Blossom

[superminty]

Blossom: Nobivac has a KC intranasal vaccination that covers both bordetella bronchiseptica and parainfluenza virus. It is an annual vaccination.

[Guest Tess32]

Meh, there is nothing 'out there' about it, but I suppose if you are a lazy vet that is totally behind the times it can look that way!

[Baby Dragon]

I got this from a vaccine company rep. At least they aknowledge that some vets do the 3 yearly vaccinations! Finally!

Vaccinations every 12 months is fine. Some vets choose 3 year C3 accinations for a variety of reasons. Internationally the trend is for 3 year vaccines and some vets like to stay up to date with what happens over seas. It also means one less needle for the dog. Titre testing is to test the antibody level and it is done alot in america but is not foolproof. Vets rarely do it here in Australia. Dont worry - if your vet is doing annual C3 vaccinations, your dog is going to be fine. All vaccines have to pass strict safety standards and if dogs were dying, then they would be removed from the market.

You still need to go in to your vet at least annually for a health check and your dog will still need at least a Canine Cough vaccination every year and every 3rd year C3 if the vet is doing 3 year. If they are doing annual vaccinations, then you need a C5 annually which covers 5 infections dog diseases.

There is lots of info on the internet which can be useful but make sure you visit sites that are scienfic, ie/ University.

[Guest Tess32]

I'm glad they mentioned it, but they seem to be under the impression that the problem with the vaccines is an obvious adverse reaction at the time, rather than LONG TERM issues.

[marytea13]

Annual "boosters" are unneccessary so the window is about 8 years..........

:thumb sup:

More vaccine suppresses the immune system, it does not enhance it.

If you had one die in your arms because of over vaccination had suppressed the immune system, you would all understand a lot better.

I am currently 'nursing' my mini poodle thru an autoimmune response caused by booster vaccination. I would never ever have my dog given a booster once its had the proper regime. I had got the titre tests done & they were ok but we were going on hols & the kennel required the vac certificate.

[Guest Tess32]

So sorry about your poor dog

[Baby Dragon]

sorry about your dog marytea13, I hope it gets better soon

Tess32 thank you for all your help - you have been a great source of info!!

Off topic, but I just love Noah in your sig and avatar. What kind of Collie(?) is he? His colouring is gorgeous!

[Guest Tess32]

No probs. I am no expert by a long shot, I just have recently done all the research cos of the new pup

Noah is a Collie (Rough) - same as Lassie, except his colour is "blue merle", Lassie is a sable - like my boy on the end, and the girl in the middle is a tricolour.

[oakway]

Annual "boosters" are unneccessary so the window is about 8 years..........

:rolleyes: :thumb sup:

More vaccine suppresses the immune system, it does not enhance it.

If you had one die in your arms because of over vaccination had suppressed the immune system, you would all understand a lot better. :D

I am currently 'nursing' my mini poodle thru an autoimmune response caused by booster vaccination. I would never ever have my dog given a booster once its had the proper regime. I had got the titre tests done & they were ok but we were going on hols & the kennel required the vac certificate.

I am so sorry for you. I know what you are going through. Maybe a letter to the kennel explaining what has happened might just help get the message through to them. I can not forgive myself for what I caused. This all happened when we were all just learning about what over vaccination can do.