Guest Tess32 Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Ah ok cool, that's good. I was worried it would just become a "everyone passes" kind of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Ah ok cool, that's good. I was worried it would just become a "everyone passes" kind of thing. Yeah, I think thats why a few go straight to CD. I think CCD is a great class. Still very possible to NQ etc so your dog still has to be well trained to enter, but the lead is more there due to the inexperience of the dogs. I found it a comfort to start in the ring with the lead and settled my nerves really well, also got Cooper great ring exposure prior to going into CD and being completely off lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsdog2 Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Cool, I wouldn;t normally bother with it and would go straight to CD with any of my others, but this is for my Greyhound and he needs all the encouragement he can get I'm looking at putting my Goldie in CCD this year too, although I've had a few people suggest maybe it's not such a good idea. Apparently in groups the dogs may not be as stable as you might be used to in say ..... novice or open. I had a go in CCD last year and pulled out after sits in groups as I had another dog stand over mine in a not-so-friendly manner. I pulled out as I didn't want to put my dog at risk in the drop. The owner of the other dog was nice enough to pull out and the judge asked me to re-enter the ring and we completed the excercise. It does make me wonder about whether we should just work on Novice or risk the same thing happening again in CCD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 I'm looking at putting my Goldie in CCD this year too, although I've had a few people suggest maybe it's not such a good idea. Apparently in groups the dogs may not be as stable as you might be used to in say ..... novice or open. I had a go in CCD last year and pulled out after sits in groups as I had another dog stand over mine in a not-so-friendly manner. I pulled out as I didn't want to put my dog at risk in the drop. The owner of the other dog was nice enough to pull out and the judge asked me to re-enter the ring and we completed the excercise. It does make me wonder about whether we should just work on Novice or risk the same thing happening again in CCD. I never personally had this happen to me ever in CCD. One dog was eyeballing Cooper but he just looked the other way. I also found the judges stand quite close to the dogs especially if they are sensing something from one or more of the dogs. I think its luck, or bad luck on the day. I guess there is more of a chance of it happening in CCD but I have also seen it happen in much higher classes too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janba Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Link to the rules on the ANKC site http://www.ankc.org.au/home/inner.asp?pageID=70&mainID=2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 (edited) In the stay work, how close do they have the dogs to each other? BC - thanks for the info regarding recall finish in the CCD. Edited February 8, 2008 by Erny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitka Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Cool, I wouldn;t normally bother with it and would go straight to CD with any of my others, but this is for my Greyhound and he needs all the encouragement he can get I'm looking at putting my Goldie in CCD this year too, although I've had a few people suggest maybe it's not such a good idea. Apparently in groups the dogs may not be as stable as you might be used to in say ..... novice or open. I had a go in CCD last year and pulled out after sits in groups as I had another dog stand over mine in a not-so-friendly manner. I pulled out as I didn't want to put my dog at risk in the drop. The owner of the other dog was nice enough to pull out and the judge asked me to re-enter the ring and we completed the excercise. It does make me wonder about whether we should just work on Novice or risk the same thing happening again in CCD. That happened to my goldie in novice during the sit stays. A german shepherd came over to Toby and tried to hump him. I was shocked when the judge didn't do anything about it, Toby then got abit upset and left the ring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 (edited) In the stay work, how close do they have the dogs to each other?BC - thanks for the info regarding recall finish in the CCD. As far as I know the same distance as the other classes. There has been no difference for me between the levels :D Edited February 8, 2008 by BC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvawilow Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Another difference between recall is in CCD is that the dog doesn't return to the heel position. The dog is told to wait/stay by handler, handler leaves dog, handler calls dog, dog comes and fronts the handler and the handler returns around the dog. What if the dog CAN do a "return to heel" ? Is he NOT allowed to in CCD? Or is it an option? Someone's already pointed out that it's not optional but just thought I'd add how important it is to read the rule throughly. First time I did this class with Narmi when she was about 6mth old I did the "return to heel" with her and managed to fail Boy was I pissed at myself for being so STUPID. Poor baby got 79NQ. It was a double trial and in the afternoon I remembered and we passed!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogdude Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 1.5 metres from memory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J... Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 (edited) Cool, I wouldn;t normally bother with it and would go straight to CD with any of my others, but this is for my Greyhound and he needs all the encouragement he can get :D I'm looking at putting my Goldie in CCD this year too, although I've had a few people suggest maybe it's not such a good idea. Apparently in groups the dogs may not be as stable as you might be used to in say ..... novice or open. I had a go in CCD last year and pulled out after sits in groups as I had another dog stand over mine in a not-so-friendly manner. I pulled out as I didn't want to put my dog at risk in the drop. The owner of the other dog was nice enough to pull out and the judge asked me to re-enter the ring and we completed the excercise. It does make me wonder about whether we should just work on Novice or risk the same thing happening again in CCD. That happened to my goldie in novice during the sit stays. A german shepherd came over to Toby and tried to hump him. I was shocked when the judge didn't do anything about it, Toby then got abit upset and left the ring Why didn't the judge get the owner to collect the GSD? I keep hearing stories of judges not intervening at this point, it only needs to happen to the wrong dog and you end up with a dog fight in the stays, and then someones dog gets the blame for it when it never should've been allowed to get to that point! I often wondered what would be the ramifications of returning to your dog before (or against) the judges direction in order to protect your own dog. I'd have no hesitation, judge or no judge and that you'd be given a NQ, but would there be other consequences? Edited February 8, 2008 by feralpup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitka Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Well if it does happen agian i'm just going to stuff the pass or title or whatever, my dog comes first above anything. I am never entering trial with that judge agian, I don't trust him to help my dog if he needs it like he did on that day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Thanks DD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatevah Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 Check out my webpage at http://www.dogtrick.741.com I have a video of me and Moses competing in CCD and CD and also the rules so you can see the standard as well. http://www.dogtrick.741.com/mosesobedience.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsdog2 Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 Well if it does happen agian i'm just going to stuff the pass or title or whatever, my dog comes first above anything. I agree. If my dog looks like he's under threat, then his safety must come first and I will leave the ring. In my case I didn't ask the other dog/handler to leave - I chose to leave. I can always enter another trial I know it doesn't only happen in CCD, but I was told it is more likely to happen in CCD. This seems to be because there are a number of handlers who wouldn't usually consider trialing but feel CCD is within in their reach (which it is, and I think should be). Hence, a higher number of "incidents" in groups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 Check out my webpage at http://www.dogtrick.741.com I have a video of me and Moses competing in CCD and CD and also the rules so you can see the standard as well.http://www.dogtrick.741.com/mosesobedience.htm Neither link works for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheres my rock Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 From what ive seen its just as bad in novice and open Theses days there are too many people taking dogs into the trial ring befoer they are truly ready Proof Proof Proof SAdly most judges dont intervene and ive had a dog stood over hummped causing my dog to break but whne asked if i can redo the stays the answrer has been the dog didnt show aggression where does it say that in th rule books Anyway im not trialling anymore and must say since i stepped out of the scene am much more content lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natsu chan Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 The whole thing with dogs breaking stays has been around forever, back when I was doing in club trials in the 80's it happened and it still does. My girl had this happen in both stays in CCD at the Collie nationals which was her first trial, but people are lovely and I had a couple ask me if I'd like to do an on lead stay to reassure her afterwards. It's just something that happens in trialling. As for the the whole NQ thing we've managed to NQ three times now (something different everytime, still can't complain we improve every time out too)! It's almost embarrassing now but she's very soft and we've had no luck at all. To NQ in the heel work is surprisingly easy, the judges watch those leads like hawks they must be loose. Koori bombed the heeling last time out she was 5 points off qualifying, she lagged not much but just enough. So it happens. It depends on the judge a bit but down here the majority I've found want you to be able to progress and do well in CD and if they're too easy on you that just doesn't happen. It's 1.5m between each dog in the stays, I have an old rule book from 1986 and the distance was the same for all the levels then too. No finishes allowed at all in CCD either. I actually like CCD I think the soft and nervous dogs benefit from being able to work on lead in the ring. It gives them the experience with trialling conditions without the added complication of heel free. I know Koori would have had issues going straight into CD first time out so it's nice to have the option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J... Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 I agree Natsu Chan, as a newbie trialler CCD gave me the chance to get a start in the obedience ring without the intimidation of heading in without a lead. Given I've only done two double trials, I've been lucky that the only dogs who broke in our stays headed straight back to their owners. But WMR is right, I've heard stories from triallers having dogs stand over theirs in the out of sight stays, so at least Open level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatevah Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 Okay just checked the link and for some reason it is down, try my youtube channel instead. http://www.youtube.com/dogtrick CCD CD We are not perfect but we passed both and gives you an idea. The CCD one was our first ever obedience trial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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