JulesP Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 I first started feeding BARF about 10 years ago. There were none of these patties then. The original book suggests feeding different things everyday and not feeding a complete meal in each sitting. The basis was raw meaty bones with other stuff. It was supposed to be an easy diet, toss the dog whatever you had on hand type thing. Mince was not considered to be of much value. When did it change to feeding these patties and has Billinghurst endorsed this change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddog21 Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 Yes it is billinghurst's recipe still. I started using Barf about 4 years ago in Pattie form. It got too expensive for me with two large dogs so I now feed Advance and Semi lean mince. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EllieD Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 See if this answers your questions JulesP! http://www.barfworld.com Look under Barf diet, all about minces there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted January 20, 2008 Author Share Posted January 20, 2008 An American site, that explains it. They manage to commercialise everything! I couldn't find anything on there from Billinghurst himself. Feeding mince patties to your dog everyday is not BARF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatdanes Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 An American site, that explains it. They manage to commercialise everything! I couldn't find anything on there from Billinghurst himself. Feeding mince patties to your dog everyday is not BARF. i got my recipe from a book called dog food secrets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff'n'Toller Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 The way I interpreted the patties were that they were an adjunct to the RMB's and other supplements and were more of a convenience thing. They are also handy for very small breeds. The meat isn't mince, it's ground RMB's. Mel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormie Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 An American site, that explains it. They manage to commercialise everything! I couldn't find anything on there from Billinghurst himself. Feeding mince patties to your dog everyday is not BARF. i got my recipe from a book called dog food secrets. Interesting. who wrote this one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatdanes Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 An American site, that explains it. They manage to commercialise everything! I couldn't find anything on there from Billinghurst himself. Feeding mince patties to your dog everyday is not BARF. i got my recipe from a book called dog food secrets. Interesting. who wrote this one? greatdane wrote this about the recipe from dog food secrets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff'n'Toller Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 I think stormie is asking you for the author. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nillasdad Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 Last I heard Billinghurst has nothing to do with the Barfworld site and the commercial patties sold in the US, quite the opposite... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavandra Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 I first started feeding BARF about 10 years ago. There were none of these patties then. The original book suggests feeding different things everyday and not feeding a complete meal in each sitting. The basis was raw meaty bones with other stuff. It was supposed to be an easy diet, toss the dog whatever you had on hand type thing. Mince was not considered to be of much value. When did it change to feeding these patties and has Billinghurst endorsed this change? It has been a number of years now, Billinghurst brought them out to the American market first, and now they are available here too. I dont use them, and couldnt afford them even if I wanted to feed them, very expensive! My dogs get 60% bones like chicken carcas, wings, necks (chick, turkey, lamb), mine get a mush meal once or twice a week I spose, but I very much feed to what he originally advocated before "selling out" & contradicting himself in these "balanced patties"..........Balance over time (time being approx 10 days) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavandra Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 Last I heard Billinghurst has nothing to do with the Barfworld site and the commercial patties sold in the US, quite the opposite... BARF is owned by Billinghurst, it is trademarked and we are not exactly allowed to call a raw diet "Barf"...He has sued or was sueing someone many years ago over his name being used to describe a raw diet, I never heard the outcome of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nillasdad Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 Last I heard Billinghurst has nothing to do with the Barfworld site and the commercial patties sold in the US, quite the opposite... BARF is owned by Billinghurst, it is trademarked and we are not exactly allowed to call a raw diet "Barf"...He has sued or was sueing someone many years ago over his name being used to describe a raw diet, I never heard the outcome of it. He doesn't own the trademark in the US, never did... http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb50...06/ai_n18450512 I've had an email exchange with him some years ago in which he indicated he'd been done over by Barfworld. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poodle wrangler Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 I'm no BARF expert, but often wondered myself about how patties fitted in with BARF . I think you'll find many people use the term BARF very loosely and don't really feed BARF at all. ;) greatdanes. Subtlety of a sledgehammer..... Not selling something, are you? :wink: Where are the DOL detectives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavandra Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 I've had an email exchange with him some years ago in which he indicated he'd been done over by Barfworld. Perhaps that is what the law suit was all about then in that case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VintageDiva Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 The way I interpreted the patties were that they were an adjunct to the RMB's and other supplements and were more of a convenience thing.They are also handy for very small breeds. The meat isn't mince, it's ground RMB's. Mel. Mince IS ground meat (human grade) or ground RMB (pet grade). And once you've minced something, you can't really call it a raw meaty bone. It's mince. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlottereeves Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 In answer to the original question, it changed when Dr Billinghurst diverged from Tom Lonsdale's original 'Raw Meaty Bones' and started marketing and commercialising the 'BARF' diet. This is an excellent link to read: http://www.rawmeatybones.com/petowners/whynotBARF.php As well as the rest of the website. The original book 'Raw Meaty Bones' is well worth a read for those who are considering BARF, raw or prey-model diets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 (edited) I think it changed when the term "BARF" crept into popularity amongst the wider dog owning population. People who fed their dogs anything raw or homemade claimed to be feeding a "BARF diet" and the reputation of BARF as a method of feeding suffered accordingly. An all raw mince diet is not BARF. Neither is feeding ANY kibble. A cooked homemade diet is not BARF either. But I've heard owners who fed these diets claim them as such. No wonder a lot of vets are wary of the term. Edited January 20, 2008 by poodlefan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted January 20, 2008 Author Share Posted January 20, 2008 The first Billinghurst book was published in 1993. That book certainly didn't commercialise anything. From between then and now something has gone whacky. I doubt Billinghurst would be impressed. Poodlefan I think the problem is people here the term on places like this, don't get the books, don't do the research and think they are feeding the correct diet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cazxxz Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 greatdanes.Subtlety of a sledgehammer..... Not selling something, are you? :wink: Where are the DOL detectives? I wondered the same thing - 33 posts in two days?! But only a few posts are pushing the diet secrets. So... I really liked Give your dog a bone. Much of the information in the more recent book seemed to contradict the first book. I wondered if maybe too many people wanted exact instructions on how/what/how much to feed, rather than choose from the options. I interpreted the message as being balance over time, not all blended so that every day is pretty much the same. Maybe dog owners thought that because the food is sold a certain way, that's the best way to feed the diet, or is the best way according to Billinghurst. So what came first - the popularity of blending everything and then freezing, or the same commercially available product? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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