Colloidal Silver

[Greybabies]

This thread could have been very interesting but...............

I know a lady who's Lab x was given 6mths to live due to cancer. She started to give it CS in hopes to save it, that was 18mths ago. CS hasn't cured the cancer but the cancer hasn't spread.

I was told that CS will turn you blue/grey if it is out of date or when extremely high doses are taken. CS is no good when the silver is no longer suspended in the liquid and that's when it becomes dangerous. You can tell. If there is a grey sludge in the bottom of the bottle, DO NOT USE IT!

[Silverblue]

I have just started Boris on CS for his Pemphigus Foliacuoeus, & Misty for her ear infection, so I will watch with interest to see what happens.

I am very open minded when Misty's ear infection has been ongoing for so long, nothing the vets have giving me have worked,and it has cost me a fortune & they can't knock her out to clean it anymore.

As for Boris I am trying it along with what the chinese herbalist suggests when we visit her next week.

[morgan]

Friends have two dogs with kennel cough, picked up at a show. Only the boys caught it, probably because they were a bit stressed over a bitch in season, none of the bitches ended up with it.

On my advice they were put onto colloidal silver/spring water for drinking and some strengthening herbs in their meals at the first sign. Coughing has all but disappeared in less than 36 hrs. Only a slight sound every now and then and they never developed the deep hacking cough, despite galloping around the place. The bitches all received the same treatmentand have not shown any sign of KC despite sharing beds and dishes with the sick ones.

[Silverblue]

UPDATE.

I put CS in Misty's ear this morning, tonight when I got home there was hardly any pus in it at all & she wasn't shaking her head, so have put some more in tonight, will see what it is like in the morning

[cavNrott]

This thread could have been very interesting but...............

I know a lady who's Lab x was given 6mths to live due to cancer. She started to give it CS in hopes to save it, that was 18mths ago. CS hasn't cured the cancer but the cancer hasn't spread.

I was told that CS will turn you blue/grey if it is out of date or when extremely high doses are taken. CS is no good when the silver is no longer suspended in the liquid and that's when it becomes dangerous. You can tell. If there is a grey sludge in the bottom of the bottle, DO NOT USE IT!

I was giving CS daily to my dog who has osteosarcoma in her jaw and I stopped giving it to her not long after scare tactics were raised here. She was expected to live for only a very short time after diagnosis which was at the end of December. She's still here and there is no apparent evidence of metastasis.

I have a CS generator and have it running right now making a fresh bottle of CS. I'll resume giving CS to her on a daily basis and wish to hell I hadn't stopped giving it to her over the last two months. Something slowed down the progression of her cancer and no one, including the oncologists can work out why she's is still quite well.

She has a tumour on her gum which has increased in size which would be expected. Over the last few days this tumour has been bleeding a little. We'll see if anything improves or otherwise, now that she'll resume taking CS daily.

[morgan]

What a shame that people who have no experience or knowledge of CS caused you to stop the treatment. If CS causes argyria where are all the blue people? Over a million people every year die because of prescription medication and other iatrogenic problems, yet there has never been a recorded instance of a single person being killed by CS and not one case of argyria has been caused by taking properly prepared CS in normal doses.

Over 100,000 people in the US are killed every year by properly prescribed and administered medication, yet not one CS death, but CS gets the bad press?

Go figure...

Hope the CS can help your girl. Have you tried any of Robert McDowell's herbs for cancer? The Maritime Pine Bark works well and can easily be administered with the CS. Selenium and vitamin E are being used in Canada with good results against osteosarcoma as well. Percy's Powder (a mineral mix) has been used effectively against cancer since the 1940's - I have used it successfully for osteosarcoma myself. All of these can be used at the same time as CS.

[cavNrott]

What a shame that people who have no experience or knowledge of CS caused you to stop the treatment. If CS causes argyria where are all the blue people?

Hope the CS can help your girl. Have you tried any of Robert McDowell's herbs for cancer? The Maritime Pine Bark works well and can easily be administered with the CS. Selenium and vitamin E are being used in Canada with good results against osteosarcoma as well. Percy's Powder (a mineral mix) has been used effectively against cancer since the 1940's - I have used it successfully for osteosarcoma myself. All of these can be used at the same time as CS.

All dogs here have now resumed CS on a daily basis as of last night. My dog with osteosarcoma is under the care of an oncologist and is trialing a new drug regime. I did purchase the Robert McDowell OSA blend and the M Pine bark blend but they're not compatible with the drug regime Sophie is on so unfortunately she can't take them at this stage.

Sophie takes a number of supplements that are ok with the drug regime. I run all supplements past the oncologist before giving them to Sophie and she has no problem with her taking CS. It'll be interesting to note if there are any changes in the tumour now that Sophie is having CS again.

How silly of me to be spooked by scare tactics. At the moment she is taking coQ10 and Milk Thistle because her liver enzymes were high. Since taking these supplements her levels are within normal range.

[ino]

Now there is an open wound it may be worth considering applying CS directly to the site, by spray or swab or whatever means available, and do this for a period of time as this may be a good opportunity to attack on 2 fronts. Suggest some research be done regarding injecting CS directly into tumour as well. Perhaps you would be willing to state PPM and type of water you are using? I only ask as I document all treatments I use within our family and pets for future reference so that when I am gone there will be at least some factual documentation for my future generations to go by.

I have done, and am still doing, endless research trying to find adequate and responsible information regarding this subject. I am not a University statistician but the only way to get accurate information is to document personal experience. I am not insensitive or opportunistic but peoples fears regarding EICS will NOT diminish unless records are kept which can be passed on as a reference guide. If appropriate authorities won't do then who will. Medicine has a long history of successes and failures both for the 2 legged and 4 legged variety. There is no fear of shame in failure if we have given something our best shot, it's how we learn as a species.

As stated earlier, I have used EICS within the family long before using it on animals which is why I find it curious that experts and authourities don't hesitate to suggest it for use on plants and animals but not for human consumption!! Frankly, I don't see there is all that much difference between animal and human, if you understand the point I am trying to make here. Research and records are the key.

[cavNrott]

Now there is an open wound it may be worth considering applying CS directly to the site, by spray or swab or whatever means available, and do this for a period of time as this may be a good opportunity to attack on 2 fronts. Suggest some research be done regarding injecting CS directly into tumour as well. Perhaps you would be willing to state PPM and type of water you are using? I only ask as I document all treatments I use within our family and pets for future reference so that when I am gone there will be at least some factual documentation for my future generations to go by.

As stated earlier, I have used EICS within the family long before using it on animals which is why I find it curious that experts and authourities don't hesitate to suggest it for use on plants and animals but not for human consumption!! Frankly, I don't see there is all that much difference between animal and human, if you understand the point I am trying to make here. Research and records are the key.

Ino, I'm unsure if your questions are directed at me? If so, the automatic generator switches off at 12 or 14 ppm, depending on the size of the container of water. I am able to boost it to 30+ ppm. I normally use it at about 20ppm.

Since I am starting after a hiatus of 2 months I will begin at 12ppm and increase the ppm of the next batch to 20+ ppm. The generator has a thermal stirrer.

The water I use is Nobles Pureau which contains no salt, bacteria, cholorine or mercury.

There is no open wound. The gum tumour develops a small haematoma which erupts, disappears and redevelops. I don't interfere with this tumour in any way.

There is a WARNING that came with this generator:-

Do not drink large quantities of colloidal silver that has been made with impure water or tap water. Argyria has been know to occur when people have consumed large quantities of poor quality colloidal silver over a long period.

Edited May 28, 2008 by cavNrott

[ino]

Now there is an open wound it may be worth considering applying CS directly to the site, by spray or swab or whatever means available, and do this for a period of time as this may be a good opportunity to attack on 2 fronts. Suggest some research be done regarding injecting CS directly into tumour as well. Perhaps you would be willing to state PPM and type of water you are using? I only ask as I document all treatments I use within our family and pets for future reference so that when I am gone there will be at least some factual documentation for my future generations to go by.

As stated earlier, I have used EICS within the family long before using it on animals which is why I find it curious that experts and authourities don't hesitate to suggest it for use on plants and animals but not for human consumption!! Frankly, I don't see there is all that much difference between animal and human, if you understand the point I am trying to make here. Research and records are the key.

Ino, I'm unsure if your questions are directed at me? If so, the automatic generator switches off at 12 or 14 ppm, depending on the size of the container of water. I am able to boost it to 30+ ppm. I normally use it at about 20ppm.

Since I am starting after a hiatus of 2 months I will begin at 12ppm and increase the ppm of the next batch to 20+ ppm. The generator has a thermal stirrer.

The water I use is Nobles Pureau which contains no salt, bacteria, cholorine or mercury.

There is no open wound. The gum tumour develops a small haematoma which erupts, disappears and redevelops. I don't interfere with this tumour in any way.

There is a WARNING that came with this generator:-

Do not drink large quantities of colloidal silver that has been made with impure water or tap water. Argyria has been know to occur when people have consumed large quantities of poor quality colloidal silver over a long period.

Sorry about that, forum learning curve. Sounds like you probably have done as much research as I have so I may be repeating what you may already know.

By the way, I have no qualifications so don't misinterpret anything I say as advice, and of course tell me to mind my own business if necessary. I can only be guided by my own usage within our family circle, including animals, guided by research I have done.

Does your specialist know the treatment you are giving? The reason I ask is because of the relatively high ppm for initial dosage. The dog doesn't appear a tad poorly after a couple of days does it? You haven't observed diarrhoea at all? If this is the dosage you initially started with then OK. You probably know that rapid ingestion of high ppm CS can cause some side effects due to overload of the body with toxins while trying to eliminate same, via kidneys and liver, in the initial stages of treatment if using high ppm, (just trying to establish if we both know the same thing).

It may still be worth considering spraying, or using an eye dropper, or applying in some way of the 30ppm, or even higher ppm, directly on the site when it erupts, and doing it as regular as possible. Is eruption normal in these circumstances or has it started since using CS? If it has only started since CS treatment then I would definitely be getting some on the site immediately it erupts.

I have used 40ppm using rainwater, ( Yes, I know what you are thinking but I won't go into that here), in the past to kill bacterial ear infection in dog. I used the same ppm on another animals leg and eye area, on open wounds. I did this to get CS directly into the area where it could work immediately and kept doing it until I could see obvious signs of recovery. I certainly would not contemplate the animal ingesting this ppm, or myself for that matter, but that is my judgement. By applying it directly to an opening allows the CS to get right to the source while keeping it localized without excessive ingestion.

If you are in communication with specialist and he is receptive or familiar with CS you could run it by him. If not, then you will need to use your own judgement on that, but it certainly would not hurt, besides, you would not be able to get all that much there anyway which is why it would need to be repeated as often as possible. Researched material I have suggests CS can be injected directly into tumours also. Maybe you could run that past him as well.

I have used Nobles, but can't recall if it was Pureau though, and found when I tested with TDS meter, (Yes, I know there are arguements regarding TDS meters as well), the meter read 3ppm straight out of the bottle, (mayber there are different Nobles, I don't know). I have also used pure water from pharmacist and got the same reading so I now use 'EL CHEAPO' distilled water which, coincidently, gives the same reading of 3ppm straight out of the bottle. I just do the calculation at the end of production.

[cavNrott]

Sorry about that, forum learning curve. Sounds like you probably have done as much research as I have so I may be repeating what you may already know.

I haven't done much research at all. I know very little so I appreciate your advice.

Does your specialist know the treatment you are giving? The reason I ask is because of the relatively high ppm for initial dosage. The dog doesn't appear a tad poorly after a couple of days does it? You haven't observed diarrhoea at all? If this is the dosage you initially started with then OK. You probably know that rapid ingestion of high ppm CS can cause some side effects due to overload of the body with toxins while trying to eliminate same, via kidneys and liver, in the initial stages of treatment if using high ppm, (just trying to establish if we both know the same thing).

The oncologist is aware of everything that goes into my dog's mouth to ensure that nothing I give Sophie is contraindicated with her medication. When we first saw the oncologist she didn't consider a teaspoon of 20ppm to be a high dose. I'd say she'd advise against me giving a large dose. She's also aware that I ceased giving CS to my dog a couple of months ago.

I thought that an initial dose at 12-14ppm would not be high. Do you consider that to be a high dose? We see the oncologist again next Wednesday so I'll speak with her before starting CS again. My dog has liver/kidney enzyme tests every 3 weeks. At one stage liver enzymes were high but are now within the normal range....no CS was being given when they were high.

None of my dogs have ever shown any adverse effects of CS. None of them have had CS for the last 2 1/2 months.

It may still be worth considering spraying, or using an eye dropper, or applying in some way of the 30ppm, or even higher ppm, directly on the site when it erupts, and doing it as regular as possible. Is eruption normal in these circumstances or has it started since using CS? If it has only started since CS treatment then I would definitely be getting some on the site immediately it erupts.

The tumour was not evident when I ceased using CS though osteosarcoma was confirmed by pathology. The tumour and the recent haematoma is/are due to the progression of the cancer.

I have used 40ppm using rainwater, ( Yes, I know what you are thinking but I won't go into that here), in the past to kill bacterial ear infection in dog. I used the same ppm on another animals leg and eye area, on open wounds. I did this to get CS directly into the area where it could work immediately and kept doing it until I could see obvious signs of recovery. I certainly would not contemplate the animal ingesting this ppm, or myself for that matter, but that is my judgement. By applying it directly to an opening allows the CS to get right to the source while keeping it localized without excessive ingestion.

Since the tumour is in her mouth, on her gum it would be impossible for her not to ingest CS if I applied it to the the haematoma.

I have used Nobles, but can't recall if it was Pureau though, and found when I tested with TDS meter, (Yes, I know there are arguements regarding TDS meters as well), the meter read 3ppm straight out of the bottle, (mayber there are different Nobles, I don't know). I have also used pure water from pharmacist and got the same reading so I now use 'EL CHEAPO' distilled water which, coincidently, gives the same reading of 3ppm straight out of the bottle. I just do the calculation at the end of production.

The generator I use automatically switches off when the ppm reaches 12-14. In order to raise the ppm I need to reset it. One reset will raise it to around 20ppm. I use only Nobles Pureau water.

I hope this makes sense to you, I appreciate your advice.

[morgan]

Ino - re water quality, making colloidal silver requires purity levels of between 0 and 3ppm. All of the Noble's water I have ever used has been 3ppm, but when I was using a friend's home distilled water it tested as 0ppm. Compare this to Sydney tap water which varies between 115 and 137ppm in my kitchen. What level does the rain water test at?

Re using CS, we have always used it orally in addition to pouring or spraying on wounds. Have saved the lives of two horses with CS of 12ppm and 20ppm, given in doses of up to a litre daily. We also make our own colloidal silver gel to put on wounds after flushing with CS. If there is septicaemia or massive wound infection we also add thuja extract to the oral doses. Both of these horses failed to respond to antibiotics and had reactions to them, so the vets involved both stated that we could not save the horse and it should be pts. Both vets still marvel at their incredible recoveries. Without the oral CS we would have lost both of them, topical application alone would not have helped in the slightest.

PS - neither of these horses have the slightest hint of blue, despite one being on it for 6 weeks and the other several months.

[ino]

Sorry about that, forum learning curve. Sounds like you probably have done as much research as I have so I may be repeating what you may already know.

I haven't done much research at all. I know very little so I appreciate your advice.

Does your specialist know the treatment you are giving? The reason I ask is because of the relatively high ppm for initial dosage. The dog doesn't appear a tad poorly after a couple of days does it? You haven't observed diarrhoea at all? If this is the dosage you initially started with then OK. You probably know that rapid ingestion of high ppm CS can cause some side effects due to overload of the body with toxins while trying to eliminate same, via kidneys and liver, in the initial stages of treatment if using high ppm, (just trying to establish if we both know the same thing).

The oncologist is aware of everything that goes into my dog's mouth to ensure that nothing I give Sophie is contraindicated with her medication. When we first saw the oncologist she didn't consider a teaspoon of 20ppm to be a high dose. I'd say she'd advise against me giving a large dose. She's also aware that I ceased giving CS to my dog a couple of months ago.

Good to see the oncologist is receptive to CS. Most professionals in the human arena will not look further than drug companies. I would consider 1 teaspoon a low dose as well. I had no way of knowing what quantity you were using that's all. All material I have researched suggests that, generally, CS will not compromise medications. There can be exceptions but I won't go into that here.

I thought that an initial dose at 12-14ppm would not be high. Do you consider that to be a high dose? We see the oncologist again next Wednesday so I'll speak with her before starting CS again. My dog has liver/kidney enzyme tests every 3 weeks. At one stage liver enzymes were high but are now within the normal range....no CS was being given when they were high.

Now you have said that you are only using 1 teaspoon I can't see any reason why you could not resume as soon as you like. I would probably keep a close eye on the dogs general appearance for reasons which follow:

I get the impression that the illness is fairly well advanced, in which case the kidneys and liver would be under some considerable stress already dealing with the cancer, but if time permits, ( and don't think I am being insensitive there), I would perhaps consider increasing the volume, not necessarily the ppm just the quantity or volume after a period of time. I believe you would need to closely monitor for signs of general health improvement before considering this though. If the illness is in the advanced stage then this may not be possible however.

None of my dogs have ever shown any adverse effects of CS. None of them have had CS for the last 2 1/2 months.

The most common adverse effect of CS, on initial intake, is the potential overload of the kidneys and liver to eliminate toxins which increase in the blood due to the effect of CS on bacteria etc. The higher the ppm on initial dosage, the higher risk of overloading these organs, and if I am right in assuming your dog is in the latter stages of illness then these organs are already stressed exponentially, so it is prudent to start small, as you are, and increase over time, (time permitting of course). Copious amounts of water need to be ingested initially also, to assist in the flushing process by these organs via urine and stools, however this may be a little more difficult to achieve in animals as opposed to humans. The goal is basically to get these organs to expel toxins quickly and as efficiently as possible from the body so healthy blood can begin to circulate. The more efficient the kidneys and liver work the better. I, personally, err on the side of caution and consider the use of CS in high concentration be commensurate with the body weight, unless I wanted to treat a specific issue on an immediate basis, and then only for a relatively short time span before reducing ppm or volume. I suggest the stress the kidneys and liver are under should be in the forefront of the mind.

It may still be worth considering spraying, or using an eye dropper, or applying in some way of the 30ppm, or even higher ppm, directly on the site when it erupts, and doing it as regular as possible. Is eruption normal in these circumstances or has it started since using CS? If it has only started since CS treatment then I would definitely be getting some on the site immediately it erupts.

The tumour was not evident when I ceased using CS though osteosarcoma was confirmed by pathology. The tumour and the recent haematoma is/are due to the progression of the cancer.

The most common adverse effects of CS in humans is... If the kidneys and liver are overloaded and can't eliminate toxins adequately then signs of acne or rash or such may become evident because these organs are unable to get rid of the toxins quick enough, in which case the body tries to expel them by some other means, this is especially so if either, (a) large quantities of CS is ingested or, (b) the ppm is relatively high, when starting regime. Don't assume the above as a positive sign, (regarding the mouth tumour), but the body, to my knowledge, has only 3 ways of expulsion...Urine, Faeces, and skin.

I have used 40ppm using rainwater, ( Yes, I know what you are thinking but I won't go into that here), in the past to kill bacterial ear infection in dog. I used the same ppm on another animals leg and eye area, on open wounds. I did this to get CS directly into the area where it could work immediately and kept doing it until I could see obvious signs of recovery. I certainly would not contemplate the animal ingesting this ppm, or myself for that matter, but that is my judgement. By applying it directly to an opening allows the CS to get right to the source while keeping it localized without excessive ingestion.

Since the tumour is in her mouth, on her gum it would be impossible for her not to ingest CS if I applied it to the the haematoma.

Perhaps you could ask her if applying CS with a cotton bud or something would hurt. I would think it wouldn't, but be guided by her advice. I won't give advice so don't take anything I say as advice, I am only able to cite information I have gleened from reading numerous articles on the subject of Electro-Ionic Colloidal Silver beause as I ingest it on a daily basis, and use it on my families animals, I have a thirst for knowledge for my own personal interest which enables me to pass on any information, (if I consider it meaningful information), I have, as you people are passing on your experiences. If I am unable to cite any information then I will most definitely say so. I've got to be honest here, I am trying to learn as much as I can also.

I have used Nobles, but can't recall if it was Pureau though, and found when I tested with TDS meter, (Yes, I know there are arguements regarding TDS meters as well), the meter read 3ppm straight out of the bottle, (mayber there are different Nobles, I don't know). I have also used pure water from pharmacist and got the same reading so I now use 'EL CHEAPO' distilled water which, coincidently, gives the same reading of 3ppm straight out of the bottle. I just do the calculation at the end of production.

The generator I use automatically switches off when the ppm reaches 12-14. In order to raise the ppm I need to reset it. One reset will raise it to around 20ppm. I use only Nobles Pureau water.

I hope this makes sense to you, I appreciate your advice.

To conclude, it is only by people discussing the pros and cons, and citing personal applications and uses of CS in humans and animals, that successes or failures can be noted and passed on for the betterment of all concerned. Unless large sums of monies are made available for more scientific research to be done, to follow on from past research, we will be forever to-ing and fro-ing, experimenting, trialing, doubting or otherwise, and argueing on the benefits and/or risks associated with CS. I am satisfied with the research I have done to date.

[ino]

Ino - re water quality, making colloidal silver requires purity levels of between 0 and 3ppm. All of the Noble's water I have ever used has been 3ppm, but when I was using a friend's home distilled water it tested as 0ppm. Compare this to Sydney tap water which varies between 115 and 137ppm in my kitchen. What level does the rain water test at?

Re using CS, we have always used it orally in addition to pouring or spraying on wounds. Have saved the lives of two horses with CS of 12ppm and 20ppm, given in doses of up to a litre daily. We also make our own colloidal silver gel to put on wounds after flushing with CS. If there is septicaemia or massive wound infection we also add thuja extract to the oral doses. Both of these horses failed to respond to antibiotics and had reactions to them, so the vets involved both stated that we could not save the horse and it should be pts. Both vets still marvel at their incredible recoveries. Without the oral CS we would have lost both of them, topical application alone would not have helped in the slightest.

PS - neither of these horses have the slightest hint of blue, despite one being on it for 6 weeks and the other several months.

I have considered using a home water distiller but as I have not researched power consumption and costs yet I am leaving that to a later date. As for tap water, whether it be from Sydney or Timbucktoo........well what can I say, as there is nothing to say regarding tap water, other than DON'T TOUCH IT where EICS is concerned as God knows what concoction one would finish up producing, let alone ingesting it!

Now...As for the rainwater, I only tested the water, (laboratory test), for the silver content so I knew what ppm I was producing. I possibly could still be waiting for the results if I wanted to know what Total Dissolved Solids were in it. I only use this water to get a quick ingestion of high ppm for immediate treatment ie; externally on open wound, or internally for an infection where I consider a dose of high ppm is appropriate for quicker short term treatment. I have tried to test rainwater myself but found it impossible as the ppm actually reduces as CS is produced. I have had the reason for this explained, but is rather involved, so I won't go into it here as it involves chemistry and that is a little out of my league. The only way would be via a laboratory, and I don't want to stretch a friendship, if you get my drift.

OK, secondly, forget about the 'blue', it simply will not happen due to the way in which CS is produced today. This can be explained but again it requires considerable writing space. Having said that though, of course if one were to ingest a high ppm solution, and I am talking HIGH ppm and probably litres a day here, over a very extended period of time, then I guess anything is possible, who knows, all I know is I won't do it, (high intake of alcohol causes numerous issues, both short term and long term, as a simple example). Information available regarding the method of producing CS by electolysis today, coupled with the common sense one should adopt for anything one ingests, insists that turning blue is simply an outrageous concept, and I agree with that, having read up a little on how it was produced years ago. I've been ingesting it for roughly 3 years now, and as I stated earlier, the last time I looked in the mirror I didn't see any 'blue'.

Thirdly, Horses.......Well, again I am only an everyday Joe Bloggs who uses CS within his own family circle, and pets, so what can I say about horses...nothing, however, I personally make a judgement according to body weight, and horses are considerably heavier than I am so the amount you used could quite possibly be a low dose for the size of the animal. I am not an animal expert. I only appeared here because of an enquiry from a member regarding EICS and I could give a personal account of an animal in our family.

Finally, (and I am going to keep the personal risk mimimal here), Vets, (and other professionals I need to add).........That's a bit trickier so I may just plead the fifth amendment and leave that one alone. What I will say though is....Professionals may be amazed, surprised, blown away, curious of a miraculous recovery etc, etc.... but what follows after these reactions, and they are witnesses to these recoveries??

[cavNrott]

Arghh! This is doing my head in. I'm more confused now than I ever was.

I'll hold off giving CS to my osteosarcoma dog until I consult with her oncologist and recommence dosing the other dogs here (who are enjoying good health) at a CS rate of 12ppm.

Ino Does your specialist know the treatment you are giving? The reason I ask is because of the relatively high ppm for initial dosage

May I repeat my question? I don't see an answer. If you consider 12ppm to be a relatively high dose of CS, what would you consider to be a moderate CS ppm as an initial dose. I would have thought that 12ppm is a low dose. My osteosarcoma dog weighs in at 47.6kg.

Another thing that puzzles me is that surely the quantity given must be relative to what is consider to be a high does...or not. As in a teaspoon of 30ppm would be an infinitely lower dose than a 500ml of 12ppm. Not only that but the weight of the animal must surely come into the equation.

[ino]

Arghh! This is doing my head in. I'm more confused now than I ever was.

I'll hold off giving CS to my osteosarcoma dog until I consult with her oncologist and recommence dosing the other dogs here (who are enjoying good health) at a CS rate of 12ppm.

Ino Does your specialist know the treatment you are giving? The reason I ask is because of the relatively high ppm for initial dosage

May I repeat my question? I don't see an answer. If you consider 12ppm to be a relatively high dose of CS, what would you consider to be a moderate CS ppm as an initial dose. I would have thought that 12ppm is a low dose. My osteosarcoma dog weighs in at 47.6kg.

Another thing that puzzles me is that surely the quantity given must be relative to what is consider to be a high does...or not. As in a teaspoon of 30ppm would be an infinitely lower dose than a 500ml of 12ppm. Not only that but the weight of the animal must surely come into the equation.

QUOTE: "I would consider 1 teaspoon a low dose as well. I had no way of knowing what quantity you were using that's all."

RE: Dosage...I believe I was in agreeance with you on that with the above quote from my last response.

QUOTE: "I, personally, err on the side of caution and consider the use of CS in high concentration be commensurate with the body weight"

RE: Body weight...I believe I was in agreeance with you on this as well with the above quote from the same response.

To date I think I have agreed with you on all counts.

Now we come to the complicated part...30ppm on a teaspoon as opposed to 12ppm in 500ml. 'Particle Surface Area' needs to be understood and I don't particularly want to go there due to it's complexity, but you have, in a manner of speaking, asked the question so I will do my best to answer the best way I can.

Particle Surface Area is the total area that the microscopic sized particles of silver, (NOT THE SOLUTION THE PARTICLES ARE IN, ie; THE WATER), would cover. For example, if one could spread those microscopic sized particles of silver, (remember, ONLY THE PARTICLES of silver, not the water the silver is in), of the 30ppm sample, on a football field lets say, and do the same on another field with the 12ppm you should get the idea of how much MORE of the 30ppm field will be covered than the 12ppm field. I hope you understand the picture I am trying to give here, as it's the ppm of silver particles which determines the efficacy of the silver particles to do their job when in the blood. From this you should get the idea that the 30ppm is much stronger than the 12ppm. Personally, (remember this forum is for people to air their views and discuss these points), I would probably be using the 12ppm on the teaspoon and the 30ppm in 500ml, (and stretch the 500ml out over the day), because, as I stated in my last response, if the kidneys and liver are battling to keep the blood clean already, the last thing they need is a sudden hit of toxins as it tries to cleanse the blood which is possibly already full of toxins. This is the way I would go but ultimately it's up to the individual to decide. If your oncologist is familiar with this, run it by her for correction and let me know. This is why I err on the side of caution, and this is the thing, more opinions need to be expressed so that they can all be weighed up by other individuals. Electro-Ionic Colloidal Silver has the potential to be a powerful antibiotic, but it also has the potential to make one feel decidedly unwell for a period of time.

I am sorry if the brain hurts with all this but CS is not the exact science that people, such as you and me who are trying to get a better understanding of CS, and the use thereof, as we would like it to be. I have yet to find a source which contains recommended dosage charts passed by the medical authorities, the best information we are going to get, at this point in time, is from each other. Forums such as this is a good place to learn and make our own judgements based on the information people voluntarily give whether it be right or wrong. I'm no different to anyone else regarding being wrong about something, if I am wrong, point it out, and then I have learnt something more. I repeat, I can only pass on information I have obtained to those of us who may not already have it. I have no desire to poison myself or my family or their pets. I wish you well with your dog and sincerely hope the issue can be overcome.

[cavNrott]

Ino, I didn't mean to be argumentative it's that I was worried when you asked if the oncologist knew I was giving a relatively high dose when I considered 12ppm to be a very low dose in the quantity I was giving. I don't think I had mentioned the quantity I was giving the dogs at that stage of our discussion

When I was giving CS daily to my healthy dogs I was rebooting the generator to produce a ppm of around maybe 24+. This was due to the fact that the very first bottle of CS I purchased had a ppm of around 35-40.

At this point I will not give CS to my osteosarcoma dog. Her system has enough medications and supplements to deal with as it is.

Clearly, you know a lot more about CS than I do.

[morgan]

Ino - you are probably right about a litre being a low dosage for a horse - however my generator can't make more than this each day as well as some for flushing wounds and making gel

Robert McDowell told us just to give 15 mls, 4 times daily with the first mare that was ill, together with the thuja extract - we did end up giving more than this as it wasn't as much as some people take. The second horse was on the litre daily, and more if we had it.

[ino]

Ino - you are probably right about a litre being a low dosage for a horse - however my generator can't make more than this each day as well as some for flushing wounds and making gel

Robert McDowell told us just to give 15 mls, 4 times daily with the first mare that was ill, together with the thuja extract - we did end up giving more than this as it wasn't as much as some people take. The second horse was on the litre daily, and more if we had it.

Morgan, I certainly won't interfere with whatever anyone else has advised as I don't do advice, all I am prepared to do is pass on any info I may have that others may not know already. Personal experiences I can cite, and of course personal opinions I may express, (if I choose to express them). Oh, and all my research is related to human consumption as well, I only use my own judgement when it comes to our own animals. It's the material I have aquired, and may cite, which will be right, or wrong, as the case may be, I have no advice to give to anyone. My main concern when I hear about dosage, whether it be human or animal, (CS does not discriminate between the two), is because when I initially started taking CS, I did not follow my own researched advice and suffered the conseqences as my liver and kidneys could attest to. I don't know anything about animal ailments either.

OK, now I've cleared that up I can get back to some light hearted discussion. From what you say regarding the 15ml and the litre business, (the litreage I am not concerned with so much as the ppm), if you are talking 12ppm in 15ml doses 4 times a day I would consider this to be a low maintenance program and could be done...forever.[my opinion]. In fact for a horse the 20ppm would probably be more beneficial, perhaps even higher, I don't know.[my opinion]. I take 5-10ppm daily and I'm certainly not the size of a horse! Have you thought about making less quantity but higher ppm? You would need to work out if thats possible for you to do. You may like to do some research on 'Particle Surface Area' as this will explain that it is not the volume of solution but the ppm of silver content IN that solution which is important to know.

I have purposely made CS using rainwater to get a 40 plus ppm, (only takes 3 minutes, and I have had that analysed), so that it can get stuck into a particular health issue at the time...Ill anyway, (family member with shingles), so kidneys and liver just had to deal with it. Of course, life threatening issues are a different matter and I won't pass any opinion on that for obvious reasons. It is really all about how much the liver and kidneys can tolerate. CS works fairly quickly when it gets into the blood stream, the load put upon the kidneys and liver, relating to amount of toxins they are trying to clean out of the blood, is dependant upon the ppm being administered. Type and severity of illness is the dictator of ppm. [my opinion]

Don't know anything about 'gel', but I feel I should pass the following on to you in case you may not know already...I don't know if 'gel' is the same thing as 'protein', (no research done, and no need to), but what material I have seen states that bacteria can actually live in the protein which surrounds the silver, which is pretty much counter productive!! (remember, I can only speak of 'protein' here, I don't know if 'gel' is the same thing).