Defiant Puppy?

[clueless]

My 9-month old beagle barks at me when I tell her off when she is being naughty. Is this their way of talking back like human teenagers? :rolleyes:

She then runs away if I try to grab her (to put her on the ground)to make her submit. Any one else experience this with their dogs? Any advice? It's just annoying as she has a very loud bark and I don't want her to get the idea that she wins if I try and ignore her barking.

[Kavik]

When you say putting her on the ground do you mean alpha rolling her? Physically forcing her to the ground?

That can be dangerous and sometimes can lead to a bite. Dogs do not actually roll each other in this way, one dog voluntarily rolls over to the other.

Have you done any obedience training with her?

[persephone]

She then runs away if I try to grab her (to put her on the ground)to make her submit

of course she does!! Why would she willingly stand there to be grabbed and forced to the ground?

I don't know about beagles. specifically..but ANY pup needs to know that when they obey, and come to their human, there is a REWARD for doing so :rolleyes:

You haven't given us much information... really..

How much 'training'/educating do you do with her each day?

When you say 'being naughty'...is there anything specific? Something she does regularly?

I guess your other one doesn't do this?

Do you take them both to a club or something for training?

I know barking /'answering back can be annoying'..so, hopefully ,with some more info from you, someone can help you and pup to communicate better and avoid it

[sas]

Yeah, it sounds like your dog is back chatting you.

Are you familiar with a book called Dog Listener by Jan Fennell? May be beneficial to you.

I assume you have been sumbitting your dog she she was a puppy? If you had you would only need to make the growly voice for the dog to submit by itself. At 9 months if you don't have this response I really wouldn't be chasing after the dog to submit it - you can understand why the dog is running away from you.

I think just like a teenager pooch needs to be put in its' place, I think you'll find Jan Fennell's methods easy to follow.

[Dogsfevr]

The fact is she is winning in all aspects at present ,so you have a 9 month old that has no respect for what your doing .

The alpha roll is totally pointless & the dog has learnt coming to you will result in something unpleasant which is dangerous if your any reason you do need her to come & obey.

It sounds like she has no idea what you want & maybe hasnt been trained to do whats expected & you have resorted to other methods that are creating issues.

[BrunoBella]

I agree with the other posters that alpha rolls don't help.

Until you get some training I would suggest you decide what the rules are (no barking at you), then reward good behaviour and ignore bad behaviour. There are other methods you can use to correct your dogs but you need some training first to work out what is best for your dogs so I would stop all punishment until you understand what you should be doing.

SAS's book suggestion sounds fantastic.

Ignoring barking does not tell them that what they're doing is OK. Ignoring bad behaviour by not paying attention to your puppy is using their pack instinct to train them. Dogs want to be with their packs (you) so not allowing them to do this is a much smarter way of training your dog. Y

You do not want your puppies to be fearfull so please stick to positive rewards until you have been to training.

Good luck :rolleyes:

BP

[Stewie_the_Frenchie]

Turtle did this exact same thing...it was definitely defiance. He didn't have clear boundaries from us, so when he was told off he knew he could get away with it. Haven't worked out how to fix it...we've been on holidays with him so he hasn't done it recently. I know, it's really annoying. What we would sometimes do is when he barks like that, we make him do something we want, like "sit", and that usual puts him in his place. But it's easy for us, as the spot he always barks at us from (in front of the couch), is in front of a corner which he backs himself into and can't run away.

It's quite frustrating, I feel your pain and am sorry I can't help more...

[clueless]

I know she won’t bite me. It’s all bluff. I only got her about 2 months ago.

She only does the barking back when after playing or I've been with them outside,

I go back inside the house and she jumps on the glass door. Of course I go and tell her "NO". This is when she goess off and starts barking. The other one does not do this. (I got her since puppy-hood).

But then she's really the noisy one cause she barks a lot when playing with the other dog and the other one does not really bark at all. (weird really)

When I try to make her submit, i don't have to force as she does it herself. I've been doing this as I want them to be in a submissive postion when my kids try to pat them or when we are outside and some children asked to pat them. They love to socialise with bth canine & human.

I've been helping her get over her phobias as when we got her, she was an indoor dog and she is now mostly an oustide one. She was scared of the lawn mower, the water, the car. But now she's better. Not sure if she was expose to a lot of house happeninsg before.

She is really a sweet dog(when you have food on your hands :rolleyes: Hopefuly this is just a phase and will pass soon.

[BrunoBella]

With the jumping on the glass door, it would be easier to get her to sit instead of just telling her no. This stops her from jumping and calms her down as well. I got my dogs to stop jumping on the door by asking for a sit. If they didn't sit I would go back outside and make them sit. Then back inside again and repeat the entire procedure. It took 15-20 minutes to get inside once but they have never jumped on the windows again.

On the other hand, if she runs around barking outside while you're inside I would deliberately ignore her, no eye contact, no talking. Otherwise she will teach you to come outside when she barks.

The submit must be an understanding difference. If you are getting her to do a drop/stay or sit/stay for pats that is perfect :rolleyes: . Do you get her to roll over as well?

I hope you find something that works for you

[clueless]

Thanks for all the advice and suggestions. I will definitely try at least one of them. A new dog is always a new challenge. But they never cease to amaze you.

They are so funny and frustraing all at the same time. :rolleyes:

[Dogsfevr]

When I try to make her submit, i don't have to force as she does it herself. I've been doing this as I want them to be in a submissive postion when my kids try to pat them or when we are outside and some children asked to pat them. They love to socialise with bth canine & human.

Unfortunately this is where your wrong & your training her to not do whats right.

Behaving socailly correct around people isnt forcing them to be submissive,submission is a result of doing something wrong.

It also means the dogs are being pat in a position of no control or confidience .it means children will be patting the dog the wrong way aswell & not teaching the dogs that what ever position they may be in social manners is always a must

I know she won’t bite me.""

How do you know???

This is why people get bitten because there expectations of what a dog will do doesnt always meet up.Any dog can bite & we must always remember that & if your teaching the kids that a dog should submit before patting its also teaching them the wrong dog message.

[sas]

I know she won’t bite me. It’s all bluff. I only got her about 2 months ago.

She only does the barking back when after playing or I've been with them outside,

I go back inside the house and she jumps on the glass door. Of course I go and tell her "NO". This is when she goess off and starts barking. The other one does not do this. (I got her since puppy-hood).

But then she's really the noisy one cause she barks a lot when playing with the other dog and the other one does not really bark at all. (weird really)

When I try to make her submit, i don't have to force as she does it herself. I've been doing this as I want them to be in a submissive postion when my kids try to pat them or when we are outside and some children asked to pat them. They love to socialise with bth canine & human.

I've been helping her get over her phobias as when we got her, she was an indoor dog and she is now mostly an oustide one. She was scared of the lawn mower, the water, the car. But now she's better. Not sure if she was expose to a lot of house happeninsg before.

She is really a sweet dog(when you have food on your hands Hopefuly this is just a phase and will pass soon.

I really don't think you should be submitting a dog you only got 2 months ago, you haven't bonded enough with this dog and it may bite you or win against you with its' strength and that is not going to help you.

You can just ask the dog to drop stay for attention from kids.

I still think you need to set boundaries for this dog, from your post - I'm not sure if you have noticed but you make excuses for the behaviour.