Purpley Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 Ok - so I need to teach command refusal, and I am not really sure where to start with it. The thing is I need for my OH and my 2 kids (7yrs and 3yrs) to be able to control the dogs aswell, so how do I teach him to refuse commands without that being jeapodised?? Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAX Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 I don't understand your post. I have read it a couple of times and I still don't understand the question. Just thought I would say that because there are no replies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonymc Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 Isiss, correct me if I am wrong but I read your post this way.You want your Dogs to answer to commands only given by yourself,Husband and Children.Your wanting the Dog/s to ignore anybody else outside of Family.Have I got your context right? tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purpley Posted December 10, 2007 Author Share Posted December 10, 2007 Yep thats what I meant Tonymc. Sorry, damn cold and flu tablets make me a bit dippy!! Dippier than usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonymc Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 No probs Isiss.How many Dogs do you have as each would have to be put through training to ignore others separately. Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purpley Posted December 10, 2007 Author Share Posted December 10, 2007 I have 2 staffords. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonymc Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 What motivates these Dogs?a Toy,Ball,food or what? tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purpley Posted December 10, 2007 Author Share Posted December 10, 2007 One is motivated by food, other is by love pretty much. She isn't very food orientated. She is happy with a play and a cuddle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 I have helped train command refusal in class a few times. What we did is have the dogs in a stationary stay position (normally sit to start with) on lead by the owner's side and have the other person (instructor etc) come along and tell your dog to drop. You keep the dog in a sit, think of it as a distraction exercise, you put dog back into sit/correct dog for leaving sit position if the dog moves, praise if he doesn't. You might want to start at a distance first so the dog is not likely to obey the stranger. I think this should be OK for family (you don't have them be the stranger) - they will obey who has the lead in theory. Is this what you meant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purpley Posted December 10, 2007 Author Share Posted December 10, 2007 I have helped train command refusal in class a few times. What we did is have the dogs in a stationary stay position (normally sit to start with) on lead by the owner's side and have the other person (instructor etc) come along and tell your dog to drop. You keep the dog in a sit, think of it as a distraction exercise, you put dog back into sit/correct dog for leaving sit position if the dog moves, praise if he doesn't. You might want to start at a distance first so the dog is not likely to obey the stranger. I think this should be OK for family (you don't have them be the stranger) - they will obey who has the lead in theory. Is this what you meant? Yeah thats what I mean. So similar to the food refusal, where you get them to focus back on your, instead of the food/command. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonymc Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 Issis,it would also help the lesson if you enlist other People to act under your guidance. You need to increase your attactiveness to the Dogs and really lower the value of the other People to the Dogs. Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purpley Posted December 10, 2007 Author Share Posted December 10, 2007 Act under my guidance?? As the ones that dog needs to refuse or obey?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonymc Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 Issis,if you have other people you know who are willing to act around your Dogs as you suggest so the Dogs learn the intended lesson. Basically as Kavik said you can start with each Dog separately on the Lead.I would start off with the distraction of the other person,s at a distance.Have the Person call out a command to the Dog.Have the Dog standing or sitting beside you.Have of course the motivator for each Dog handy.When the Dog ignores the command reward immeditately of course.In the event of the Dog taking notice of the other person, issue a Shock to the Dog but do it with disassociation.Having the Dog on your left you can have the Lead running across you and around your hip to your right hand.When giving the shock or in other words a quick sharp jolt on the lead,the trick is to not let the Dog see you doing it.This way you disassociate yourself from the shock and the dog will not attribute it to you and will not build resistance towards you.As The Dog is not aware that your the cause of the shock, he will attribute it to his emotional state and his focus at the time.As soon as he gives you his attention back after the shock reward and praise. As he gets the knack of it,you would of course move the other Person in closer and then possibly use multiple People. Once he has things in his grasp,you could also go to an off lead siutation with other People wandering around nearby with you there as well.You could reward the dog,play a game really attract the Dog and have the other People totally ignore the Dog so they are of no value. Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purpley Posted December 10, 2007 Author Share Posted December 10, 2007 Thanks Kavik and Tony. I will put that in action and see how I go. Much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonymc Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 No trouble Issis.Another dimension is that you could also use obscure or unusual words for commands unlikely to be used by others. tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poodle wrangler Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 I'm not sure how you'll go with getting the dogs to obey a 3 year old ? Perhaps people more experienced than me can advise, but I've found it an uphill battle. My dogs will only obey Miss 3 when food is used as a reward and clearly visible to the dogs. I think the small size, high pitched voice etc. at this age doesn't help in being seen as higher in the pack order. I rely on supervision at this age as my dogs probably see her at around their level in the pack order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purpley Posted December 10, 2007 Author Share Posted December 10, 2007 My 3 yr old can completely control my dogs. He has the knack. Its funny, cause he knows the tone of voice he needs to use. He has taught my male stafford to have a treat on his head, and then when he says the command word, my stafford is allowed to eat the treat. He has more control on the dogs than my OH! Obviously I supervise kids and dogs at all times. Have to work out a way to get him to understand the command refusal thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonElite Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 Ditto to what Kavik and Tony said, but also have you thought about teaching them things in a different language? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoemonster Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 Just a quick question about the command refusal You are meaning command refusal as in, "I tell my dog to sit, someone else tells it to drop and it stays sitting as thats what I've told it to do", as opposed to "someone else takes my dog tells it to sit and it refuses to do it as it wasnt me that told the dog to do it"??? Just wanted clarification on that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirov_grrl Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 Can I just ask why and where you would need to use this for?? I'm just thinking purely from situations where you may not be present, and your dog needs to do things - ie, at Boarding Kennels - or he gets loose and someone tries to help/rescue him..... Or..... at the vets??? What if something terrible happens (heaven forbid) and they need an extended stay at the vets - how would this effect him??? Can you explain to me the need/use for this type of command/training? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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