MolassesLass Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 (edited) Luring / physical pressure? On the move / standing still? From the stand / sit? etc etc. Edited October 16, 2007 by molasseslass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huski Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Luring / phyiscal pressure?On the move / standig still? From the stand / sit? etc etc. Pretty much all of the above (LOL). Daisy was taught down from luring with a piece of food, originally from the sit position, standing still. Now she does down on a hand signal on the move and from a stand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 (edited) One club was a good jerk on the correction chain down towards the ground to force your dog to drop The new club is your choice from a stand position, but I prefer luring with food from a stand. Edited October 15, 2007 by BC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesomil Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 I am have just been going through this with my pup. This is how our club does it. We start with luring with a piece of food and clicking and treating when down. We do this from a sit and stand position. Once they get that, we start to slowly wean off the signal so the pup does it with command only. We click and treat while pup is maintaining the position several times till we release and they can get up. Teaching it on the move comes later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmolo Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 With puppies, a combination of guide/ show/ place and luring. With adult dogs it varies but more often than not a guide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Lure from sit and stand. Both club and I use that method. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopuppy04 Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Lure from sit and stand. Both club and I use that method. Same here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff'n'Toller Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Lure-bridge-reward, don't find any reason to have to physically place the pup/dog anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huski Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Just wanted to ask quickly, how does everyone teach the dog to down on voice command only? Daisy responds excellently to hand signals, but she does not respond as well to voice commands. One of the requirements at our club is that to be promoted to the next class the dog needs to understand both voice and hand signals. For the life of me I cannot get daisy to respond to "down" purely on voice command! She will do sit, heel, stay and come on voice but not down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MolassesLass Posted October 16, 2007 Author Share Posted October 16, 2007 Lure from sit and stand. Both club and I use that method. Same here While heeling or stationary when first taught? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Luring from sit/stand too. Stationary. Used the under the legs method the other week for a puppy that wasn't having a bar of being lured, worked very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmolo Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Just to add, one of the reasons i guide is to get the dog used to being gently physically manipulated, should the need arise to do such at a later stage- vet exam etc. I also find it is much easier to get the dog to then respond to the verbal command only than only using a lure. I always teach from a stand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Lure from sit and stand. Both club and I use that method. Same here While heeling or stationary when first taught? Stationary. We teach tolerance for handling as a separate exercise.. first with the handler handling the dog and working up to a 'stranger'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffnCel Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Just wanted to ask quickly, how does everyone teach the dog to down on voice command only?Daisy responds excellently to hand signals, but she does not respond as well to voice commands. One of the requirements at our club is that to be promoted to the next class the dog needs to understand both voice and hand signals. For the life of me I cannot get daisy to respond to "down" purely on voice command! She will do sit, heel, stay and come on voice but not down. We don't use hand signals at our IPO club, so I guess it's just the same as when you start teaching any behaviour. Lure them into the behaviour you want, as soon as they do it say "down, drop whatever" and treat. So the minute their tummy hits the ground, say clearly the word, then treat, or click and treat if you use a clicker. I think it's trial and error really, what works for your dog. I've found it difficult to teach the down command to Buffy, but persistance is paying off and I am no longer ripping my hair out. Just this week I have been able to say the command without partly luring her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopuppy04 Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 While I understand what you are saying Cosmolo - I teach that as a separate exercise. ML - stationary for me too... I only really introduce the 'drop' while heeling when they *really* understand it and will drop in a whole variety of situations Husky - how are you trying to teach her the voice? How about say 'down' and wait a second or two - if she doesn't, give her the hand signal. Give light praise. Repeat again (maybe doing a couple of voice only positions such as sit etc in between). She should 'pre-empt' that when she hears 'down' the hand signal follows and thus go down on the 'voice'. I found this always worked for me. Stay patient and don't get frustrated if the dog isn't doing it - they are just confused... if you feel you are getting frustrated, just take a break . when she does drop on voice only - have a party, go to town etc etc :laugh: Also vary where you ask for a drop. Beside you, in front, distance etc :D Hope that helps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huski Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 We don't use hand signals at our IPO club, so I guess it's just the same as when you start teaching any behaviour. Lure them into the behaviour you want, as soon as they do it say "down, drop whatever" and treat. So the minute their tummy hits the ground, say clearly the word, then treat, or click and treat if you use a clicker.I think it's trial and error really, what works for your dog. I've found it difficult to teach the down command to Buffy, but persistance is paying off and I am no longer ripping my hair out. Just this week I have been able to say the command without partly luring her. Thanks JeffnCel, that is what I have been doing I just don't think it has 'clicked' yet. Husky - how are you trying to teach her the voice? How about say 'down' and wait a second or two - if she doesn't, give her the hand signal. Give light praise. Repeat again (maybe doing a couple of voice only positions such as sit etc in between). She should 'pre-empt' that when she hears 'down' the hand signal follows and thus go down on the 'voice'. I found this always worked for me. Stay patient and don't get frustrated if the dog isn't doing it - they are just confused... if you feel you are getting frustrated, just take a break :cool:. when she does drop on voice only - have a party, go to town etc etc :laugh: Also vary where you ask for a drop. Beside you, in front, distance etc Hope that helps I might try getting her to pre-empt it, LP! Thanks for the tip. We definately take lots of breaks in my house, if you get what I mean :D It has taken months to teach stand, that is the other command she will not do on voice (but will with hand signal). I will have to work on that too, she still won't hold a stand for very long either. But we will get there.....eventually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopuppy04 Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 I might try getting her to pre-empt it, LP! :D Thanks for the tip. We definately take lots of breaks in my house, if you get what I mean :laugh:It has taken months to teach stand, that is the other command she will not do on voice (but will with hand signal). I will have to work on that too, she still won't hold a stand for very long either. But we will get there.....eventually :cool: I found the 'stand' hardest to get on voice command only - particularly if they are standing close to you and come forward to stand. I sometimes get a look of confusion "But there is no room!" If she understand drop really well - getting her to do it with voice shouldn't take too long at the 'breaks' in your house Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffnCel Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 I got really discouraged about a month ago, seeing other dogs picking up on training before Buffy, but now I've kind of realised that every dog is different, and Buffy's only 7 months old so I know she will get it EVENTUALLY. Persistance and patience are my motto at the moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huski Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 I got really discouraged about a month ago, seeing other dogs picking up on training before Buffy, but now I've kind of realised that every dog is different, and Buffy's only 7 months old so I know she will get it EVENTUALLY. Persistance and patience are my motto at the moment Daisy is 12 months old, and I thought we were making progress. Last night we went to training after a two week break and they had sprayed the paddock with this chemical to get rid of the bindis in the grass. Something about the smell sent daisy off and she spent 90% of our heel work with her nose on the ground. Patience is definately key when training a hound LP: I will let you know as soon as she finally gets down!! Fingers crossed it will be eventually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffnCel Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 LOL that's so funny... last friday night on our second training session Buffy saw a toad hopping away. Training session was over right then and there... there was something to chase lol silly puppies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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