Question On Ankc Rules For Obedience Titles

[Yarrowfell]

I have been discussing the eligibility for classes with a few friends this morning. Some believe that if (at time of entries close) you have 3 passes you have to go up a class ie 3 passes in CCD and you have to enter novice at the next trial, others are saying that if you have not lodged an application for the title with your state body then you can enter the lower class. What do others think? Just curious to see others views on this.

Reading the rules I found this:

NOTES:

(a) An Exhibit which has gained sufficient awards to qualify for the title of C.D., C.D.X.

or U.D. shall NOT be eligible to compete in a higher class at an Obedience Trial

until such time as the owner/s have lodged an application for recognition of the title

with the Canine Control in the State or Territory in which the registered owner/s

reside,

No mention of CCD?

Thoughts? Ideas?

[Arya]

I have been discussing the eligibility for classes with a few friends this morning. Some believe that if (at time of entries close) you have 3 passes you have to go up a class ie 3 passes in CCD and you have to enter novice at the next trial, others are saying that if you have not lodged an application for the title with your state body then you can enter the lower class. What do others think? Just curious to see others views on this.

Reading the rules I found this:

NOTES:

(a) An Exhibit which has gained sufficient awards to qualify for the title of C.D., C.D.X.

or U.D. shall NOT be eligible to compete in a higher class at an Obedience Trial

until such time as the owner/s have lodged an application for recognition of the title

with the Canine Control in the State or Territory in which the registered owner/s

reside,

No mention of CCD?

Thoughts? Ideas?

Yarrowfell, how are they going to know you're not eligible if you haven't submitted your passes and been credited with your title? I can't swear to it but I think it's fine to keep going in CCD until you submit your passes. Obviously they would notice if you 'trophy hunted' in CCD and kept fronting up time after time, winning LOL. But I don't think this would happen in CCD. My guess, others may be able to confirm, is that if you have three passes but have already entered a comp in CCD for the next week or something you can keep on going in CCD. Then submit your three best passes I THINK. Someone else may be able to confirm.

I SHOULD BE SO LUCKY

[Keshwar]

I have been discussing the eligibility for classes with a few friends this morning. Some believe that if (at time of entries close) you have 3 passes you have to go up a class ie 3 passes in CCD and you have to enter novice at the next trial, others are saying that if you have not lodged an application for the title with your state body then you can enter the lower class. What do others think? Just curious to see others views on this.

Reading the rules I found this:

NOTES:

(a) An Exhibit which has gained sufficient awards to qualify for the title of C.D., C.D.X.

or U.D. shall NOT be eligible to compete in a higher class at an Obedience Trial

until such time as the owner/s have lodged an application for recognition of the title

with the Canine Control in the State or Territory in which the registered owner/s

reside,

No mention of CCD?

Thoughts? Ideas?

I think the reason CCD is not mentioned in that note is b/c you don't need to have completed CCD to do CD. You can enter CD without having done CCD or having only 1 or 2 passes. But once you have entered in CD and recieved a qualifying score you cannot go back and finish CCD.

As for progressing to the next class I don't think you have to progress immediately you qualify for for a title. To me it looks like you can compete in the existing class until you have lodged you title application with your canine control.

Does that now make it all as clear as mud?

Bear.

[Yarrowfell]

Does that now make it all as clear as mud?

Bear.

Yep , thanks (I think ).

[Janba]

COMMUNITY COMPANION DOG CLASS: For dogs, six months of

age or over, and of either sex which are not eligible for the title of

Community Companion Dog (C.C.D.).

From the rule book.

[Yarrowfell]

From the rule book.

So if I have a dog that has 3 passes (not applied for title) in CD:

NOVICE CLASS: For dogs, six months of age or over, and of either sex which are

not eligible for the title of Companion Dog' (C.D.).

So according to this I can't put him/her in CD.

Then I read on:

NOTES:

(a) An Exhibit which has gained sufficient awards to qualify for the title of C.D., C.D.X.

or U.D. shall NOT be eligible to compete in a higher class at an Obedience Trial

until such time as the owner/s have lodged an application for recognition of the title

with the Canine Control in the State or Territory in which the registered owner/s

reside,

Bummer: Can't go in Open either!!

[Janba]

From the rule book.

So if I have a dog that has 3 passes (not applied for title) in CD:

NOVICE CLASS: For dogs, six months of age or over, and of either sex which are

not eligible for the title of Companion Dog' (C.D.).

So according to this I can't put him/her in CD.

Then I read on:

NOTES:

(a) An Exhibit which has gained sufficient awards to qualify for the title of C.D., C.D.X.

or U.D. shall NOT be eligible to compete in a higher class at an Obedience Trial

until such time as the owner/s have lodged an application for recognition of the title

with the Canine Control in the State or Territory in which the registered owner/s

reside,

Bummer: Can't go in Open either!!

Is this for the trial on Saturday?

I think important word there is compete. I read it to mean that you can enter a class so long as you have you 3 passes at the lower class and just make sure you send of your application before the trial.

[Arya]

Okay, I know for sure you can go in Novice without having gone in CCD. This I have done without passes due to my dog's issues and then gone back into CCD. So to go straight into Novice is fine and if you don't get any passes you can go back. In CCD I say again, if you haven't submitted for your title, how do they know you have three passes? If you have paid for the trials in CCD an it is too late to change, if I was you I'd just go in CCD. What do others think? I wouldn't want to pull out if I was you. More trial practice.

[Yarrowfell]

Is this for the trial on Saturday?

No, was just a discussion. Curious to see what other people think.

[Keshwar]

From the rule book.

So if I have a dog that has 3 passes (not applied for title) in CD:

NOVICE CLASS: For dogs, six months of age or over, and of either sex which are

not eligible for the title of Companion Dog' (C.D.).

So according to this I can't put him/her in CD.

Then I read on:

NOTES:

(a) An Exhibit which has gained sufficient awards to qualify for the title of C.D., C.D.X.

or U.D. shall NOT be eligible to compete in a higher class at an Obedience Trial

until such time as the owner/s have lodged an application for recognition of the title

with the Canine Control in the State or Territory in which the registered owner/s

reside,

Bummer: Can't go in Open either!!

I think it would depend on how "eligible" is defined. If Eligible means has three passes then no he/she can't be entered in CD. However, if eligible means lodged application for recognition of title the I think the dog could be entered in CD until you had lodged that application.

I think.

Bear.

[MrsD]

See what Janba said.

If the dog is eligible for the title (CCD, CD) ie it has 3 passes then you can't enter that class again unless your last pass was after the closing date of the trial that you want to enter.

So if you had 2 passes in CCD & trial A was coming up on the 7th of the month & trial B was coming up on the 14th of the month & both had closing dates 2 weeks before you are eligible to enter & compete in trial B even if you get a qualifying score at Trial A.

Does that make sense?

The rules have been the same for ever & a day, it's always been like that, the only difference as someone said earlier is that now you dont have to compete in CCD before going into novice.

Of course it doesnt apply for CDX as you can stay in Open as long as you like once you have your title (but you can't enter UD until you apply for your CDX title).

[Janba]

I think it would depend on how "eligible" is defined. If Eligible means has three passes then no he/she can't be entered in CD. However, if eligible means lodged application for recognition of title the I think the dog could be entered in CD until you had lodged that application.

I think.

Bear.

I read the rules to mean that once a dog has 3 passes at CCD or novice they can't compete in that class again (except for trials where the closing date was before the 3rd pass) regardless of whether or not a title is applied for

From the rules

b) Qualifications up to, and including, the date of closing of entry shall

count as eligibility to compete in any Class.

ETA You beat me to it Mrs D

Edited October 11, 2007 by Janba

[leopuppy04]

From the rule book.

So if I have a dog that has 3 passes (not applied for title) in CD:

NOVICE CLASS: For dogs, six months of age or over, and of either sex which are

not eligible for the title of Companion Dog' (C.D.).

So according to this I can't put him/her in CD.

Then I read on:

NOTES:

(a) An Exhibit which has gained sufficient awards to qualify for the title of C.D., C.D.X.

or U.D. shall NOT be eligible to compete in a higher class at an Obedience Trial

until such time as the owner/s have lodged an application for recognition of the title

with the Canine Control in the State or Territory in which the registered owner/s

reside,

Bummer: Can't go in Open either!!

I think the reason for this is that you MUST have at least loged your title form before entering the next class - not just hold onto them so you can keep competing in the lower class. Having said that - if entries have closed for the next trial and you got your title.... say the weekend before, you are able to enter that level (which you just achieved your title for) again. But if the entries haven't closed, you can't enter the lower class.

Technically you can't enter a class before you have loged for your title, but I think they are pretty lenient on this one

Clear as mud?