Pug Hugger Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 I love my little guy to death - we have only had him since sautrday and he has held on all night, every night, is doing great with his potty training with me and has only had one accident when I have been with him. When my partner gets home is another story. Mr Louie will squeeze a little wee out, even if he has just been, in front of Aaron. If Aaron is playing with him it seems to be the same thing. He is fantastic with me and I know he CAN hold on, but it seems like he does not want to when it comes to his person-daddy being around, any ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 (edited) If your pug is aged under 6 months or so I think you'll find this is submissive wetting.. or wetting triggered by excitement. It's not a matter of "not wanting to hold it" but because of having an immature set of bladder muscles, not being able to. Despite what you think, he CAN'T hold on if he gets too excited. Tell your partner to greet him outside (to prevent accidents) and to ignore or give a low key greeting until he calms down. This is quite common and most pups grow out of it as they mature. The key to no accidents is to stop him from getting over excited when people greet or play him. When analysing puppy behaviour, it's best to avoid ideas of intentional bad behaviour which appears to be what you were suggesting. Pups don't generally do things to annoy us like toileting because they "can't be bothered holding it" - they just do what they do. It's up to us to encourage the behaviours we like and avoid triggering or discourage others. Edited October 9, 2007 by poodlefan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pug Hugger Posted October 9, 2007 Author Share Posted October 9, 2007 yes Louie is only ten weeks - it could be submissive wetting, but what makes me think that it is attention seeking is that he will only do it when he does not think Aaron is paying enough attention to him (i.e. if he is watching TV or something) whereas with me he just does not do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 (edited) So are you saying when Aaron stops playing with him he pees? First rule of toilet training.. take him out when he wakes, after eating, after playing or when he looks sniffy. I really don't think this behaviour is intentional. If he's peeing when Aaron isn't paying attention to him and you're not there, could it be that Aaron is missing the signals that indicate that Louie is about to pee? Are you more vigilant? Edited October 9, 2007 by poodlefan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 he will only do it when he does not think Aaron is paying enough attention to him (i.e. if he is watching TV or something) whereas with me he just does not do it. In this scenario, does your OH say or do anything? The puppy will see him as the pack leader, and a movement or word may be enough to trigger the submission/excitement. What exactly is the puppy doing when he pees? Is he standing, does he look up or down, is he squatting, wagging his tail? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pug Hugger Posted October 9, 2007 Author Share Posted October 9, 2007 he will only do it when he does not think Aaron is paying enough attention to him (i.e. if he is watching TV or something) whereas with me he just does not do it. In this scenario, does your OH say or do anything? The puppy will see him as the pack leader, and a movement or word may be enough to trigger the submission/excitement. What exactly is the puppy doing when he pees? Is he standing, does he look up or down, is he squatting, wagging his tail? It could be that I am more vigilant - Louie is by no means my first dog and his toilet training is actually going better than most I have ever had. Generally he looks up at Aaron, while standing and pees. The thing that confuses me is he may only do a few drops, and then five minutes later do a big one outside, almost like he has control to squeeze out a couple of 'HELLO! look at me' drops! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pug Hugger Posted October 9, 2007 Author Share Posted October 9, 2007 amd generally he will only do it because Aaron is not doing anything towards him (i.e. watching TV or playing computer). we rev him up sometimes when playing and so far no little stry drops there... which I would actually expect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poodle wrangler Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 I'm not sure what makes you think the weeing is attention seeking? Does he get lots of attention/ fuss for weeing inside? Ideally, you should ignore all accidents, but clean the area thoroughly. If caught in the act- quickly take dog outside and praise like mad if he performs outdoors. Usually will need a little walk around to get over the shock of being whisked away. Is it because Aaron's not paying attention that he misses the cues that the pup needs to go outside to wee? Pups need to go outside about hourly. Perhaps time seems to go faster if playing with the dog? They need to go after play, also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pug Hugger Posted October 9, 2007 Author Share Posted October 9, 2007 I'm not sure what makes you think the weeing is attention seeking?Does he get lots of attention/ fuss for weeing inside? Ideally, you should ignore all accidents, but clean the area thoroughly. If caught in the act- quickly take dog outside and praise like mad if he performs outdoors. Usually will need a little walk around to get over the shock of being whisked away. Is it because Aaron's not paying attention that he misses the cues that the pup needs to go outside to wee? Pups need to go outside about hourly. Perhaps time seems to go faster if playing with the dog? They need to go after play, also. What makes me think it could be attention seeking is that we mmight have just come in from wees (and he is really good about going outside too) and then he will just do two tiny little drops next to Aaron's office chair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 My guess is still that he is feeling very submissive toward Aaron. for a ten week old pup to learn to pee for attention would be unusual ;) he is continually trying to let Aaron know that he IS being submissive...he IS just an inoffensive baby.... sorry ,can't be more help.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poodle wrangler Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 I'm not sure what makes you think the weeing is attention seeking?Does he get lots of attention/ fuss for weeing inside? Ideally, you should ignore all accidents, but clean the area thoroughly. If caught in the act- quickly take dog outside and praise like mad if he performs outdoors. Usually will need a little walk around to get over the shock of being whisked away. Is it because Aaron's not paying attention that he misses the cues that the pup needs to go outside to wee? Pups need to go outside about hourly. Perhaps time seems to go faster if playing with the dog? They need to go after play, also. What makes me think it could be attention seeking is that we mmight have just come in from wees (and he is really good about going outside too) and then he will just do two tiny little drops next to Aaron's office chair. I meant: Does he get attention for this? He shouldn't. Ignore it. If you don't want urine drops about, confine him to a crate or easy-to-clean area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pug Hugger Posted October 9, 2007 Author Share Posted October 9, 2007 Well thanks all for the ideas. He has not done it tonight - so maybe he was being submissive and is hopefully learning that he does not have to be. He came from a home with more adult females (of the people variety) so this might make sense. And the little drops dont bother me - I am surprised he is being so good for such a little baby! But he is being crate trained as well of course - and doing great at that too. I am just a proud mummy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 He came from a home with more adult females (of the people variety) so this might make sense. It does The constant presence of a human male would be a bit of a 'culture shock' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pug Hugger Posted October 9, 2007 Author Share Posted October 9, 2007 Louie must be getting used to Aaron then - we have gone 24 hours without any little wees on the carpet! Yay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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