ncarter Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 i was wondering this. Ive seen it before it looks nothing like real meat, it smells like crap? Is there horse meat in it? and if there is horse meat in it how come they dont have to list it on the ingredients? Also wondering what animal by products actually are? Im convinced there is not one ounce of decent meat in pal and chum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 i was wondering this. Ive seen it before it looks nothing like real meat, it smells like crap? Is there horse meat in it?and if there is horse meat in it how come they dont have to list it on the ingredients? Also wondering what animal by products actually are? Im convinced there is not one ounce of decent meat in pal and chum! If you read the can, you'll find there's more water in there than anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Rules Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 Animal by products are everything that's left (and I mean everything) when an animal is slaughtered for human grade meat..........totally disgusting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvabull Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 I would imagine that the pal and chum ones are still better than those cheap 59cent homebrand ones that just say "dog meat" on them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncarter Posted October 5, 2007 Author Share Posted October 5, 2007 thats the thing i dont know how you could possibly get any good ingredients in there for in between 80c - $2 thats what u pay for that stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krash01 Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 Offal, offal and more offal YUK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chloebear Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 Thought I was doing the right thing when first bringing my puppy home from rescue shelter. Not knowing better at the time brought pal puppy, oh she gulped it down, but oh - the smell when it come out, the volume and texture absolute horrible to clean up. We are now using quality biscuit (puppy) with chicken necks, vegetables, fruit and sardines - much better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogcop Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 Offal, offal and more offalYUK! Yep totally agree. I removed the super whizz bang pal dog food from my shop (1993) when I opened a can of it and found OFFAL. I think when you pay $3.40 a can back then you were entitled to quality not being hood winked that it was good because it was WALTHAM VET CLINIC APPROVED (England). Sales Rep shown door followed by stand, advertising and left over product. Think calling me a Puritan sales person might have upset me too! ;) Some people will argue but most can food is about 35-40% digestion rate the rest is WASTE. Good quality can food is about 80-85% digestion rate. Bloody expensive but because its better your dog doesn't need as much to get out of it what it needs so you save by not using as much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamay Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 I feed mine Optimum, dry food and fresh meat & bones. There is generally small poos to pick up & I don't get the very offensive smells. Don't know if Optimum has any minuses does any one know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jed Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 Cans are 68% approx water. Why pay 68 cents of your $$ for water? Rumour had it years ago that Pal contained whale meat - and I can believe it. Whatever is in cans, it looks, smells and feels nasty. And that's before it's been through the dog. However, mine do have the occasional tin of sardines in aspic (cat food) blended in with their dinner, for the fish, and that smells and looks as it should, although I've never fancied it on toast, myself!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogcop Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 Cans are 68% approx water. Why pay 68 cents of your $$ for water? Rumour had it years ago that Pal contained whale meat - and I can believe it. Whatever is in cans, it looks, smells and feels nasty. And that's before it's been through the dog.However, mine do have the occasional tin of sardines in aspic (cat food) blended in with their dinner, for the fish, and that smells and looks as it should, although I've never fancied it on toast, myself!! You do realise cat food is higher in salt content we use human grade for fish content. Or as we are lucky to live by the sea fresh salmon fillets big hit with the Saint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mita Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 (edited) I'm trying to find an alternative to commercial dog food. I've got a tib with a funny tummy...& I don't really know what goes into even the best of commercial stuff. And the results of the cheap stuff sure show up....in what comes out of the rear end. A book by Dr Donald Strombeck has been recommended. He's Professor Emeritus from the Uni of California at Davis (one of the top vet schools)....& he specialised in research on diet. The name of the book speaks for itsefl. 'Home-Prepared Dog & Cat Diets: The Healthful Alternative' Here's a run down: http://www.blackwellpublishing.com/book.as...f=9780813821498 I'm trying to find if it's available in Australia. ADDED: What a small world. I just found out that the Australian distributor of this Blackwell Publishing book is John Wiley & their location is Stafford in Brisbane....2 suburbs away from me. It must be a sign! Edited October 6, 2007 by mita Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krash01 Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 Cans are 68% approx water. Why pay 68 cents of your $$ for water? Rumour had it years ago that Pal contained whale meat - and I can believe it. Whatever is in cans, it looks, smells and feels nasty. And that's before it's been through the dog.However, mine do have the occasional tin of sardines in aspic (cat food) blended in with their dinner, for the fish, and that smells and looks as it should, although I've never fancied it on toast, myself!! You do realise cat food is higher in salt content we use human grade for fish content. Or as we are lucky to live by the sea fresh salmon fillets big hit with the Saint. Your Saint gets fresh salmon fillets??!! WOW! In the city they are a treat for me and my OH as they are sooo expensive!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogcop Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 Your Saint gets fresh salmon fillets??!! WOW! In the city they are a treat for me and my OH as they are sooo expensive!!! I probably should have said Australian salmon the type you can catch here, last time I bought some they only cost about $4.50 per kilo so I got two about 2.5 kg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamSnag Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 I just buy the homebrand ones (Sardines in oil) for 3 for $1.90 or something like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monsterpup Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 A book by Dr Donald Strombeck has been recommended. He's Professor Emeritus from the Uni of California at Davis (one of the top vet schools)....& he specialised in research on diet.The name of the book speaks for itsefl. 'Home-Prepared Dog & Cat Diets: The Healthful Alternative' Here's a run down: http://www.blackwellpublishing.com/book.as...f=9780813821498 I'm trying to find if it's available in Australia. I have that book, Mita. I got it from Amazon a few years ago. It's a reasonably good book, I think, although I don't really subscribe to how much carbohydrate he feels is necessary, and all the food is cooked. There is some really technical stuff - one thing I found useful was the tables for caloric needs by dog/cat weight and age. There are a lot of suggestions for food intolerance and allergy diets, and for heart disease, diabetes mellitus, and renal disease. He provides actual balanced recipes, so if you are wanting to feed a cooked diet, this is a good book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mita Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 Thanks for that heads-up, MP. I noticed that he recommends cooked food....when I read an interview that he gave. But his reasons why weren't expanded on. My reasons for wanting to look into....are right in those points you mentioned. Caloric intake-weight....& as I aways seem to finish up with older dogs....age. When we had a 19 year old dog (she died at nearly 23 yrs), we were told by a uni vet to go easy with protein with an older dog. So it will be worth my following it up.... 'Tar muchly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monsterpup Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 Sorry, didn't mean to mislead about the age thing. He just does from puppy to adult. But he does have calculations for weight reduction, and many of the conditions he discusses would be seen in older dogs. And every diet recipe he gives has a breakdown of the calories, protein and fat, and says, "Supports the caloric needs of a (eg) 34 pound dog". I think its a good book, and even if you don't choose to go with his recipes, it has lots of great info. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mita Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 Thanks for the further heads-up, MP. I admit I added 'age' on, out of wishful thinking. Dogs seem to be living to much older ages these days (more access to care? improvements in vet science?)....& I've noticed that age seems to bring different requirements for diet. But not a lot of good sources about what's best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncarter Posted October 8, 2007 Author Share Posted October 8, 2007 You do realise cat food is higher in salt content we use human grade for fish content. Or as we are lucky to live by the sea fresh salmon fillets big hit with the Saint. you feed the fish cooked or raw? can u feed raw fish to a dog? is it any better than cooked fish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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