mutchumbo Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 I have a little issue with one of my dogs and continuous perving, mostly when off-lead and when I'm trying to get focus and control. Exists mainly in environments where many dogs frequent (obvioiusly) such as large parks, dog parks, shopping strips. In places like the backyard and when he's on-lead, it's not really an issue. This is a big problem for his working future and if it's not corrected it will be catastrofic for him. Has anyone else battled through similar issues with their dog? Any suggestions are welcome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Becky in Oz Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 Huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J... Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 Sounds to me like you've skipped ahead too far on the difficulty level.... Your backyard is a very low distraction environment, if you've got good focus there move to the front yard. Once you've got some good results there head for somewhere thats still low distraction but one step up from the front yard in terms of distractions. Start with any potential distractions at a distance so you get the focus-level and work that you require. If you're still not getting the focus you need take it back a step until you're getting good consistant results and try the next step again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmolo Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 Am i the only one who doesn't know what the OP means..? What exactly do you mean by continuous perving? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Becky in Oz Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 Not sure I understand either, unless he is using an analogy for 'distraction'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 (edited) Am i the only one who doesn't know what the OP means..? What exactly do you mean by continuous perving? I read it as not being able to maintain the dog's attention/focus. But I think it would be good if the OP would confirm this before we all start contributing to a subject we are part way guessing at interpretation. Edited October 4, 2007 by Erny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 I think the OP means the dog is "gawking" or distracted by everything and not keeping focus/attention on the handler while outside of the yard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mutchumbo Posted October 4, 2007 Author Share Posted October 4, 2007 Goodness... Is it the term 'perving' that is driving the uncertainty or another part of my original post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAX Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 Goodness... Is it the term 'perving' that is driving the uncertainty or another part of my original post? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mutchumbo Posted October 4, 2007 Author Share Posted October 4, 2007 "Yes" doesn't really answer my question, but I'll run with perving. Perving is a dogs obsessive nature to investigate elimination and scents left by other dogs whether it be urine or otherwise. Surely everyone has taken their dog to a park or for walks and at some point the dog stops by a tree or a 'hot spot' for a bit of a sniff. This activity is called 'Perving'. It often takes a bit of a yank on the lead to encourage them away. The more a dog does it and get's away with it, the easier it can be to lose focus. Of course, when the dog is off-lead, one doesn't have the luxury of this means of control. This is my dilema. I've used techniques in the past to overcome this issue but they are not working in this instance. I'm hoping for some other suggestions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Becky in Oz Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 Not my area of expertise, Mutchumbo, but what methods have you tried to overcome the 'perving'? Might help those who kow animal behaviours and training- and I am just curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavNrott Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 I've never heard the word 'perving' applied to dogs. It seems your dog is being distracted by the interesting smells and activities going on around him. Nothing unusual about that. By the sound of things you need a professional to get involved in his training seeing as you are not having any success. How old is this dog and what exactly do you mean when you say the outcome will be catastrophic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lablover Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 You need to have focus and control. Perform a search in this forum, and there are more than a few discussions. I have to admit, as I train and compete in retrieving trials, where the dog is at long distances away, and the criteria of control is very high, to simply state, how this is achieved, takes more than a few pages of instructions. More often than not, people do not proof their dogs with MULTIPLE distractions. Sometimes, including myself. Nevertheless, may I add, start short, create good habits....not bad, which may be longstanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 From memory the OP trains (or raises) police dogs?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kowai Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 "Yes" doesn't really answer my question, but I'll run with perving.Perving is a dogs obsessive nature to investigate elimination and scents left by other dogs whether it be urine or otherwise. Surely everyone has taken their dog to a park or for walks and at some point the dog stops by a tree or a 'hot spot' for a bit of a sniff. This activity is called 'Perving'. It often takes a bit of a yank on the lead to encourage them away. The more a dog does it and get's away with it, the easier it can be to lose focus. Of course, when the dog is off-lead, one doesn't have the luxury of this means of control. This is my dilema. I've used techniques in the past to overcome this issue but they are not working in this instance. I'm hoping for some other suggestions. I have never heard it called that! I'm not sure how to help sorry On leash I normally tell my dogs to "leave it" and give them a bit of a tug on the leash. However off leash I'm not too sure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keshwar Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 "Yes" doesn't really answer my question, but I'll run with perving.Perving is a dogs obsessive nature to investigate elimination and scents left by other dogs whether it be urine or otherwise. Surely everyone has taken their dog to a park or for walks and at some point the dog stops by a tree or a 'hot spot' for a bit of a sniff. This activity is called 'Perving'. It often takes a bit of a yank on the lead to encourage them away. The more a dog does it and get's away with it, the easier it can be to lose focus. Of course, when the dog is off-lead, one doesn't have the luxury of this means of control. This is my dilema. I've used techniques in the past to overcome this issue but they are not working in this instance. I'm hoping for some other suggestions. If the problem is occurring off-lead I would put the dog back on-lead and work on solving the issue with the dog on lead. Once you have the problem sorted on lead then remove the lead again. With Faxon I let him have a brief sniff and tell him to leave it or enough and walk off. Usually this enough for him to stop sniffing and follow me. However there is the odd time where it is a particularly interesting smell so he will do the "Afghan plant" - Legs spread and not moving - I simply walk off. As he is on lead he has no choice but to follow. I don't jerk/tug the lead, I simply walk off. Bear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 What training method have you been using with your dog? Have you used training in drive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ptolomy Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 Are you trying to stop your dog from perving while he is going for a "normal" walk or while you are actually trying to do some training with him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staranais Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 Wow, from the title of the thread I thought you were getting upset because your dog saw you naked, or something. I know nothing about training protection dogs, but I was wondering, why don't you just immediately stop the training session the minute that the dog starts to perve. Assuming the dog really wants the reward, he'll soon stop perving. (And if the dog doesn't want the reward more than he wants to perve, maybe you need to find a better reward?) & if your dog isn't reliable off leash, perhaps he should be on a long line until he is reliable? Good luck with the training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gomez the Norfolk Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 With Faxon I let him have a brief sniff and tell him to leave it or enough and walk off. Usually this enough for him to stop sniffing and follow me. However there is the odd time where it is a particularly interesting smell so he will do the "Afghan plant" - Legs spread and not moving - I simply walk off. As he is on lead he has no choice but to follow. I don't jerk/tug the lead, I simply walk off. Bear. Oh... I thought the legs spread and not moving bit was the "Norfolk Terrier Plant".... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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