Archie&C Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 Just a quick one... Archie is having his first holiday this weekend when we take him to introduce him to his "nan & pop" (haha, not too sure they're impressed with this title from a puppy!). My parents have two dogs who live outside but one isn't particularly dog friendly so Archie will meet them but not really play with them. My sister also has three dogs who are all very well socialised and have lovely natures. My question is... is it safe for Archie to socialise with these adult dogs even though he has not had his third vaccinations? Should I restrict him only to inside or concrete areas? He had his 12 week vaccination on Monday. The vet said he really shouldn't be going anywhere until after his 16 week shots but this trip was planned before puppy came along. I definitely don't want to put him at any risk but at the same time don't want to be a paranoid freak and not let him have any fun. Any thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 He should be fine so long as your sisters and parents dogs are all fully vaccinated and of course not obviously sick in any way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alaskanice Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 i agree with ness. My pup has lived most of her life with 2 fully vaccinated dogs and shes fine. You just have to make sure your parents unsocial dog doesnt have the Archie special for dinner :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie&C Posted September 28, 2007 Author Share Posted September 28, 2007 i agree with ness. My pup has lived most of her life with 2 fully vaccinated dogs and shes fine. You just have to make sure your parents unsocial dog doesnt have the Archie special for dinner :rolleyes: Yes, it will be definitely be through the fence meeting. He's actually a lovely dog, just hasn't met many other dogs during his life... especially little white fluffy ones! Thanks for the replies guys, I appreciate the reassurance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teebs Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 Can someone tell me the point of the 3rd needle? NEVER heard of it till I came here! Every animal i have had survived on 2 needles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakway Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Can someone tell me the point of the 3rd needle?NEVER heard of it till I came here! Every animal i have had survived on 2 needles. I think it could be a case of vets like to receive money. A consultation fee and a fee for the vaccine that costs very little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 IMO dogs are often more aggressive with through the fence type meetings/barrier frustration. It isn't very common that an adult will hurt a puppy - is it not possible to introduce the two dogs face to face? I would say that through the fence will only frustrate your parents dog more and more and your wee pup could then become a massive target of frustration down the track for your parents dog. Are they all small dogs? Pop leads on them so that you can grab them if necessary. Don't all stand around holding your breath, let them meet but find a lot of distractions - ignore them, walk around, play with toys etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormie Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Can someone tell me the point of the 3rd needle?NEVER heard of it till I came here! Every animal i have had survived on 2 needles. I think it could be a case of vets like to receive money. A consultation fee and a fee for the vaccine that costs very little. Or maybe its because thats what the company that make the vaccines have registered as the dosage. Mother has antibodies that protect the pup up until about 6wks. The first vacc at 6-8weeks gives partial immunity, as they no longer have mums full protection (passive immunity) and starts them on their way to producing their own antibodies (active immunity). However, mothers antibodies still interfere with the vaccine (making them less effective) up until 12weeks for Hepatitis and Distemper, and 16wks for Parvo. A vast number of manufacturers recommend this dosage guide to get 100% response to overcome this problem with the interference of mums antibodies. A few companies have since developed a vaccine which they claim is unaffected by maternal antibodies at 12weeks, and hence only requires 2 injections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenjiMom Posted September 30, 2007 Share Posted September 30, 2007 Benji was given 2 vaccinations. Next is the booster next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brox Posted September 30, 2007 Share Posted September 30, 2007 2 vaccinations are all thats necessary, giving a 3rd is just hyper stimulating the immune system. Can cause all sorts of problems later e.g haemolitic anemia and immune mediated diseases. When did your pup have his first vax? was it at 8 weeks or before? Apparently if the vaccine is given before 8 weeks of age its pretty pointless as the mothers immunity is still covering the pup and the pups system fights the vaccine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormie Posted October 1, 2007 Share Posted October 1, 2007 There is a percentage of dogs where the mothers antibodies interfere with the parvo component of the vaccine up until 16 weeks of age. IMO, it's not worth the risk of being in that small percentage. But as I said before, it depends on the vaccine used. Companies that manufacture the vaccines make guides for a reason. There might only be a one in 100 chance that your dog might be one of the ones whose parvo vaccine has been interfered with at 12 weeks, but is it really worth risking it? Vets (and nurses!) have to recommend using the guidelines put out by the vaccine manufacturer. If a dog contracted parvo and it was shown that the dog was using the vaccine that needed 3 boosters, and the vet (or nurse) advised that the 3rd vaccine was not required, they would be hauled before the board and liable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brox Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 (edited) I was told about one of the vacc drug reps saying that the vacc protocol we have in state is far from necessary and that the particular vaccine that he was selling could last a dog 7 or more years after the initial puppy shots of course. Funny that. The protocols aren't going to change in a hurry, the drug companies and vets are making too much money. As a footnote though and to cover my a$$, you should always follow your veterinarians advice, I choose not to and thats my right. EFS Edited October 5, 2007 by MiKaTaMa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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