glorybea Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 as my heading states I am looking for new ideas for a dog that breaks her stays I am usung triangle of temption at the moment but I have a feeling it won't work the odd thing is she will do out of sights stays Glorybea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spotted Devil Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 I've taught my pup (only at home so far....look out when we hit distractions ) with no collar and toys.....he has to sit or drop while I dance and hop and skip and jump around like an idiot...then I return to his side, release him and throw a favourite toy to play with....sometimes he gallops round and round with it in his great gob or we have a gentle game of tug (and release on command). It's taught him a lot of self control and he really enjoys doing them! If your dog is breaking, I would go right back to square one and reward really small achievements.....like standing directly in front of your dog. JMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaabyFlynn Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 ok lets look at stay differently Stay isnt a command its a position you want the dog to keep until it is released so you need to develop a release word sit - stay - free as you develop the stay command you wait longer and longer to give the release command Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoemonster Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 I agree with BF, I found Ed's stays improved heaps when I introduced a "free" at the end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glorybea Posted September 8, 2007 Author Share Posted September 8, 2007 thank you all I will give them a try and update we only have one to go for CD CHEERS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ptolomy Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 Just interested Glorybea - when does she break her stays and is it the sit and the down????? Have stays always been a problem - or have they been getting worse recently???? How old is your dog? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glorybea Posted September 9, 2007 Author Share Posted September 9, 2007 Hi PTOLOMY , SHE IS 3 I/2YRS . she was good until a trial at Hasting there was a sheltie 2 dogs down which whined through the sit stay and stressed her and she came 1/2 across the ring ,the same in the down but that time she crossed fully to me .I went to another trial and the same thing happened BUT unfortunatly because I knew there was people on a title pass when she crossed the ring I bent down and held on to her I now know that I gave her the signal that it was alright to come . It has taken me 6mths to get her out of that we have now got her 2passes one after the other But the last 4 trials she has started again Bugger !!!! Cheers Glorybea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaabyFlynn Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 so the problem was beyond your control then. good luck in future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helen Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 (edited) I don't know what triangle of temptation has to do with stays but if your dog is not staying then I would go back to basics. there are 2 parts of a stay, distance and duration, do not try and work on both at once. I would try for some duration first with you in front. Work up to the duration you want then gradually add distance. If something fails do not keep trying, go back a step for a little while, just work at the pace of the dog. You need to work at such a pace so the dog is always successful, if the dog is moving you need to go back a step. If you are aiming for CD at the moment stop the out of sight stays and work on what you need at the moment, the dog staying with you standing there with the temptation of going to you. You only need to increase the distance one step at a time if necessary. Once your dog starts staying at a distance I like to occasionally go back and treat the dog in the middle of the stay, tell the dog to stay and walk away again - this is also a great strategy for a dog that is dropping in the sit stay, reward while it is still sitting. Introducing distractions as thespotteddevil said is a great idea too when the dog is staying. Edited September 9, 2007 by helen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ptolomy Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 Good one Helen - I think you explained it really well on what Glorybea needs to do to rebuild the exercise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glorybea Posted September 10, 2007 Author Share Posted September 10, 2007 Thanks again I have started to do just as you suggesT -- AGAIN it workrd last timw so it should work again I will keep you informed Glorybea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InspectorRex Posted September 10, 2007 Share Posted September 10, 2007 Glorybea- I learnt this many years ago from a very well respected Judge and when I did it it works- If your dog mucks up an exercise at a Trial, wait till the rings are finished and before they are pulled down go back into a ring with someone to call you through the exercise. I will back it in that your dog will do the exercise correctly and make such a fuss of your dog; reasoning your dog has now associated the "ring" with a positive experience. When I was Judging trials I used to actually take the time after Judging to help ppl with this and it pays dividends. For me , my Brodie in Open Class would Stand at the post for Drop On Recall. We did the above only once and the very next trial he got his first Open pass, drop on recall 29/30 and 2nd in the Ring, then he gained his other 2 passes at the next two trials( all in just five weeks) Just let one of the officials know what you are doing so you don't get told off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helen Posted September 10, 2007 Share Posted September 10, 2007 Great tip inspector rex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InspectorRex Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Thanks Helen- it was the best advice I was ever given Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glorybea Posted September 11, 2007 Author Share Posted September 11, 2007 Thank you I/Rex I was at Southern after a trail and went to redo heel work in the ring when they started to take them down but someone came forward and told me I could be disquaified for doing so .but I hadn't asked permission maybe thats the difference , next time I will do as you suggested , Glorybea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InspectorRex Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 I know Southern very well. Always ask for permission- most clubs will allow you to do it and some may even offer a person to run you through. Also at the Club you train at do you have "ring run-throughs" so you can get more practice? Club Comps are good for this too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rugerfly Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Do what FHR does....invest in a brown dog.... scroll down to photo in the linky http://www.dolforums.com.au/index.php?show...5974&st=210 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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