Vaccination Time Again

[ILuvAmstaffs]

I'm taking for Diesels yearly booster this weekend & am a bit concerned. When he had his 16 week vaccination, my mum took him & she had him done with the C3 Vax. So I took him back & had it upgraded to a C5... After the upgrade he was really quite listless. Would hardly move, wouldn't eat or drink & would lie there in his bed making soft wimpering sounds. He was like it for a good 24 hours & I had to keep getting up through out the night to check he was ok.

I will obviously talk to the vet about this when we go, but considering his previous reaction, would I be better off getting a C4 shot (the first 2 vax we're C4 and he seemed ok) or could it be that having the last vax in 2 parts caused his reaction... so having it all in 1 shot may be ok?

[WreckitWhippet]

If he's not going into kennels, then I wouldn't do him with C5.

[ILuvAmstaffs]

I will be taking him to an obedience course in 6 weeks then to an obedience club after that. I'm pretty sure the minimum is C4 for most clubs?

Edited September 6, 2007 by ILuvAmstaffs

[sandgrubber]

I have had pups GET kennel cough from the C5 vaccination. . . and pass it on to the next litter.

But on the other hand, I C5 all my dogs regularly, and the pups didn't pass it on to the adults. That's something.

I wish someone was doing quality control on K9 vaccinations. Can you imagine the furor if school kids caught full-blown measles from their measels vacs?

[KatLek]

i apologize for my ignorance.

What is the difference between C3, C4 and C5? Are there price difference?

Are they harmful to the doggie's body?

I live in the urban suburbs.

My dogs are outside during the day and in the house at night. They don't go into the bush.

We visit the local dog park once a week. They don't stay in the kennels when we are away. They get dog-sit by kind DOLers.

Everytime we go for vaccinations, the vet does not ask us what type we want to get. Well, even if he does, we don't know anything.

So what should I be aware of?

[WreckitWhippet]

I wish someone was doing quality control on K9 vaccinations. Can you imagine the furor if school kids caught full-blown measles from their measels vacs?

Tell me about it

We had KC go through our kennel and that of several friends , the dogs that were the sickest, were those who were vaccinated, those without C5 barely had a sniffle or cough at all. Since then I don't bother with C5 it's a waste of money and even if it were the same price, I doubt it's effectiveness and coverage.

[ReXy]

i agree, i wont be using c5 again, my stafford was c5 and hes had KC twice, my small fluffy has not had c5 only c4 and he didnt get it.. the minimum for our club is c 4 so i think ill be doing that from now on the money really isnt an issue because if it needs doing i would do it. but i just dont see ther benefit when hes had it twice,the first time was mild after the vaccs, the second was a bad case and ended up on antibiotics with chest infection as well..

[oakway]

I'm taking for Diesels yearly booster this weekend & am a bit concerned. When he had his 16 week vaccination, my mum took him & she had him done with the C3 Vax. So I took him back & had it upgraded to a C5... After the upgrade he was really quite listless. Would hardly move, wouldn't eat or drink & would lie there in his bed making soft wimpering sounds. He was like it for a good 24 hours & I had to keep getting up through out the night to check he was ok.

I will obviously talk to the vet about this when we go, but considering his previous reaction, would I be better off getting a C4 shot (the first 2 vax we're C4 and he seemed ok) or could it be that having the last vax in 2 parts caused his reaction... so having it all in 1 shot may be ok?

Hi,

I don't understand why you would want to vaccinate a perfectly healthy that has shown prior reactions.

It is not necessary now days to vaccinate every year. If you are in any doubt have the dog titre tested. All the titre test has to do is to show that there are antibodies in the dogs body.

If you have a high titre test it will mean that the dog has come in contact with that particular disease and has fought it and killed it. If you get a low titre test it means that the dog has not come incontact with any disease.

[morgan]

Speak to your obedience club about titre testing - many clubs are now accepting it. yes it is a bit dearer than the vacc, but it is certainly much better to avoid any further adverse reactions. These reactions usually worsen over time due to the accumulation of the various chemicals.

[centitout]

I have had pups GET kennel cough from the C5 vaccination. . . and pass it on to the next litter.

But on the other hand, I C5 all my dogs regularly, and the pups didn't pass it on to the adults. That's something.

I wish someone was doing quality control on K9 vaccinations. Can you imagine the furor if school kids caught full-blown measles from their measels vacs?

mine have just had suspected kc after one of the big guys went to the vets for xrays.he was coughing 2 days later and then 1 by 1 they all went down,even the c5'd ones.it was only a very mild cough though,that is why the vets didnt put it down to kc to start with.but now other dogs from other people are starting.4 of my pups had skin reactions after their first vacc,so they will have to have anti histamines administered at the same time.

[ILuvAmstaffs]

Speak to your obedience club about titre testing - many clubs are now accepting it. yes it is a bit dearer than the vacc, but it is certainly much better to avoid any further adverse reactions. These reactions usually worsen over time due to the accumulation of the various chemicals.

Thanks. I will look into that rather than having him vaccinated.

[morgan]

If the club insists on the vacc and won't budge, buy some vitamin C powder and put your dog on at least a teaspoon of it mixed in a bit of water several times a day for a few days before and after to minimise reactions.

Also buy some homoeopathic Thuja to give after the vacc - this is used to treat vaccination reactions. Karen Hedberg always used to use it at her surgery years ago for any type of vacc reaction.

[Dog_Horse_Girl]

Bear in mind that some people are anti-vaccination. I'd be discussing with my trusted vet, doing some independent research, and making an informed decision. The internet is often an untrustworthy source of information on these issues, so please be careful.

I'm opting for a 3 year protocol with support from my current vet. The dogs will likely get a C4 or C5 this year IF the vet believes it necessary AND if the boarding kennel we use insists on it. Otherwise, I believe they're covered for two more years. :rolleyes:

[oakway]

Bear in mind that some people are anti-vaccination. I'd be discussing with my trusted vet, doing some independent research, and making an informed decision. The internet is often an untrustworthy source of information on these issues, so please be careful.

I'm opting for a 3 year protocol with support from my current vet. The dogs will likely get a C4 or C5 this year IF the vet believes it necessary AND if the boarding kennel we use insists on it. Otherwise, I believe they're covered for two more years. :rolleyes:

Hi lillysmum,

I have never seen on this list any person who is against vaccination. Please, I hope you don't think than my dogs are not vaccinated. I have bred many litters and no pup has ever left here without being vaccinated. As I lost one of my beloved dogs to what I believe was a case over vaccination, I then set about gathering as much information as I could from learned people around the world. It appears as though I was one of many asking similar questions.

Cheers

[morgan]

LM - who is anti-vaccination where dogs are concerned on this forum?

There are many people concerned about over vaccination in dogs here, but I have never once seen anyone against vaccinating dogs in principle :rolleyes:

It then becomes a matter of different people defining this in different ways. I never vaccinate after puppy shots, and 30 years of experience breeding dogs has proven that this in no way jeopardises their health. In fact it improves it. Other people prefer a three yearly protocol like yourself, some give the first annual booster after puppy shots then no more.

All varying degrees of the same concern

PS - IME there are many vets out there that don't deserve to be trusted as far as they can be kicked on this matter

[Poodle wrangler]

As you say, check out if the club accepts titre testing. I asked our local club about vaccs and there wasn't a specific rule for C3, C4, C5 etc., it was "what your vet suggests".

[daccies]

nobody answered Katlek's question about all the different vaccinations C4, C5. I'd like to know too. And is there some website about why so many of you are not vaccinating annually - something until on here I'd never heard of.

[Rappie]

C4: Parvovirus, Hepatitis (CAV2), Distemper and Parainfluenza

C5: As for C4 with addition of Bordatella bronchiseptica (the bacterial component of canine cough).

[Golden Rules]

C4: Parvovirus, Hepatitis (CAV2), Distemper and Parainfluenza

C5: As for C4 with addition of Bordatella bronchiseptica (the bacterial component of canine cough).

And I think C3 is as per C4 but without the Parainfluenza.........

[Ellis]

I thought Parvo was a pup thing. Does it affect older dogs too?