Roxy_and_Missys_Mum Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 I have posted about Missy in the general forum, but I thought I'd start a new topic for this. Missy is only 6 weeks old this Saturday and I'm not very happy with the breeder for making her go so young. I've had her thoroughly checked by the vet last night and she is eating very well. He's told me everything I need to do to look after her and he is confident that she will be fine. I wanted a JR puppy so I looked up in the local paper and found an ad for somewhere very close to my place. I went to see her and she was gorgeous. The lady assured me that she was ready to go so I bought her. I had no idea what age a puppy has to be, or anything about breeding etc. I trusted what the lady had told me. Anyway, when the vet saw her age he told me that she is too young and they hadn't even wormed or vaccinated her. She's had everything done now, and she did actually have worms because they're showing in her poo now that she's been wormed. I left a message on the lady's answering machine to tell her to urgently worm the other poor puppies. She was an elderly lady who I think genuinely didn't know any better. I am angry with myself for not doing the research myself before I picked her up, I just went by what the lady told me. I wrongly presumed that she'd had advise from a vet. Anyway, it's ended well as the vet said Missy is very healthy. She's eating 3-4 meals a day and is active. She's been vaccinated for her 6 week and will be going back for her 9 week and 12 week. I made a mistake listening to the breeder but at the same time I am glad that it was me who got Missy because if someone else got her they may not have had her checked so quickly or treated her with the care thats he needs. She sleeps cuddled up to me and I am doing everything I can to make sure she is happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miranda Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 (edited) Personally I wouldn't call this woman a breeder, your story is a good example of what happens when you buy from a backyarder. Your little girl will be fine now that she's been wormed and vaccinated. You will need to worm her every two weeks until she is 12 weeks old, you can buy worming syrup and do it yourself, it is cheaper than going back to the vet. Edited August 16, 2007 by Miranda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy_and_Missys_Mum Posted August 16, 2007 Author Share Posted August 16, 2007 The vet has given me worming tablets to use in 2 weeks time, then a week after that she's back at the vet for her 9 week injection so he will worm her again then. I have definately learnt my lesson about these "backyarders". She seemed so genuine, she even got upset to see Missy go. Maybe I should call her and explain the information that the vet gave me in case she really doesn't know any better. Personally, if my dog had puppies (it's impossible because I de-sexed my first at 6 months and Missy will be done at 6 months too) but if my dog did have puppies I'd call a vet and get proper advice on what to do. I don't understand why she didn't even do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poodle wrangler Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 (edited) You're not alone. My MIL felt it necessary to tell me to "make sure I wormed Charlie" because her pup, bought from the paper, was riddled with worms. She blamed the backyard breeder's vet because it was "vet checked". I told her to go to a registered breeder next time and that would be unlikely to happen. Her $300 "cheap" dog has a heart condition, allergies and needed its anal glands removed for repeated infections. The "cheap" dog has cost a fortune at the vet. I'm sure she'd say she couldn't afford $800-1000 for a pup from a registered breeder, but the worst problem my 6 year old purebreed from a registered breeder has been a mild ear infection. He has cost far less than her backyard bred dog. I hope your pup does well :rolleyes: . Sounds like they have a caring owner. Spread the word about avoiding backyard breeders (BYB) now you know better. Pet shops are as bad, if not worse. It's very sad that dogs are being bred by people who don't know enough to care for them properly, let alone the puppy farmers who know better, but don't want to spend the $ . Also, is your dog microchipped? Required by law by 12 weeks (in NSW, at least). She'll need to be lifetime registered with council at 6 months, which is much cheaper after she's desexed. Edited August 16, 2007 by Poodle wrangler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kate_19 Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 I was in the same situation 3 weeks ago. I got my little boy at 6 weeks, hadn't been wormed or vaccinated, so the first thing i did was take him to the vet for a full check up and vaccination and i wormed him. Hes now turning 9 weeks this saturday and is doing great. His Mum wasn't feeding him anymore and he was on solid foods etc and i did check with the Vet before i decided to take him at 6 weeks. I don't regret getting him at a young age, I was worried at first but things have turned out fine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helen Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 (edited) It is too early to leave the mother IMO as with many experts, that is why registered breeders have a code of ethics stating pups cannot be sold before 8 weeks. There are so many good registered breeders who go out of the way to make sure pups are well socialised, receive proper worming at an earlier age to avoid the health problems your pup had and are correctly vaccinated, all anyone needs to do to find them is to either go to breed clubs, the dogzonline link above or their state's kennel club (Dogs Victoria if you are in Victoria). Anyway, luckily she now has all the medical help she needs with vaccinating and worming so you have done a good job. I think that because she has been taken from the litter so young and you cant guarantee her socialisation has been good what I would do in future is put in a big effort socialising her, with people, different situations and other dogs (of course at her age and with her vaccination status you are limited as yet, but at least get her to meet lots of different people have have them handling her). Have a look at the puppy links on this website as there is loads of useful information - http://www.k9events.com Edited August 16, 2007 by helen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poodle wrangler Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 I was in the same situation 3 weeks ago. I got my little boy at 6 weeks, hadn't been wormed or vaccinated, so the first thing i did was take him to the vet for a full check up and vaccination and i wormed him. Hes now turning 9 weeks this saturday and is doing great. His Mum wasn't feeding him anymore and he was on solid foods etc and i did check with the Vet before i decided to take him at 6 weeks. I don't regret getting him at a young age, I was worried at first but things have turned out fine! Pups benefit in ways other than food by being with Mum and littermates at this time. My standard poodle's breeder had pups still feeding from Mum at this time, teeth and all, because she felt it was very good socialisation for them- Mum tells them off for bad behaviour and they learn to use their jaws for feeding, not biting . My pup's certainly got a very nice temperament and is a very smoochy dog. I think you'll find many so-called "breeders" (BYB) like to get rid of pups asap- they're messy and a lot of hard work :rolleyes:. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy_and_Missys_Mum Posted August 17, 2007 Author Share Posted August 17, 2007 I called the lady who I got Missy from and insisted that she take the puppies to her local vet (who happens to be my local vet). She is taking them tomorrow. I called my vet and let him know if a litter of jack russell puppies come in tomorrow to have a good chat to the owner on how to look after a litter of puppies. Why on earth don't people de-sex their dogs if they don't know how to look after a litter of puppies? I'd love to experience a litter of pups with one of my girls but I simply don't have the knowledge or expertise to risk it, this is why Roxy has been de-sexed and Missy will be too as soon as she is 6 months old. I will take lots of photos of both of my girls on the weekend and post them here :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poodle wrangler Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 Why on earth don't people de-sex their dogs if they don't know how to look after a litter of puppies? I'd love to experience a litter of pups with one of my girls but I simply don't have the knowledge or expertise to risk it, this is why Roxy has been de-sexed and Missy will be too as soon as she is 6 months old. Lots of bad reasons or belief in old wives tales e.g. It's good for them to have one litter (NO); She's so nice, the pup's will be lovely, too (Who knows?); It's a good experience for the kids (not if their dogs dies during whelping it's not!). Some people think they'll make money, but work out the number of hours spent cleaning up and you'd get an hourly rate of <$2, I'd say, that's even without proper vet care and quality food . Not to mention sleepless nights and general chewing destruction by unsupervised pups. Others don't think it through or realise how determined a dog can be to get to their bitch in heat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falling_dawn Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 yep my girls getting desexed today after telling several people in the office it was looks of shock " O your not going to let her have puppies " " you know you shoud let her have one litter" " why not breed her you could make money " I sware Im griting my teeth by now Iv taken to saying "I have strong feeling's on BYB" If smart engineers feel this way what about other people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sezy Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 When I went and viewed and picked my girl she was right on 6 weeks that day. There was only 3 pups left from a litter of 10. 7 of the pups were taken to Canberra at 5.5 weeks!!!! I told them that I would not take her for another 2 weeks as she needs to be with her mum until she is 8 weeks. When I picked her up I found out that her brother and sister had gone at 6 weeks!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavNrott Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 If people keep buying dogs from BYB's then they will keep breeding them. Why do you buy from them? A couple of you have been on this forum long before you bought your dogs so you do know to buy only from a registered breeder yet you still go to byb's. I don't get it. There is no point in complaining about a puppy being too young, not wormed, not vaccinated after you have bought it knowing full well you are buying from a byb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenjiMom Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 (edited) Im still rather new to this forum, but Im not so new to the world. I had to save for ages to get my toy poodle, but I just knew to buy him from a registered breeder and not from a BYB. He was 11 weeks old when we picked him up, and although I may have preferred him a bit younger, he has been so easy to toilet train. That alone is a blessing. As to getting him at 11 weeks, I contacted the breeder as soon as I had the money in the bank, and she sent me his pic, I feel in love with the pic, and went next day to pick him up..SOLD!!! lol (MY bank account hasnt recovered yet) Edited August 18, 2007 by Bloss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poodle wrangler Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 I got my pup at about 10-11 weeks and had no problems with him being a little older. He was well-socialised at the breeder's . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenjiMom Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 Yes, our pup was very socialised also. He's had no problem at the nursing home either, lets everyone pat him. but, he's at that age, testing me. Today he decided the dig up the lawn, when i told him 'no', he then splashed around his water bowl and made such a mess....we DO still love him though lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jed Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 roxy_girl em Why on earth don't people de-sex their dogs if they don't know how to look after a litter of puppies? This breeder probably does love the dogs, but she has failed either to learn how to breed, or to apply that learning. I have no idea why. Pups used to go to new homes at 6 weeks, and I once got one at 5 weeks because the breeder knew me, and I had other dogs to socialise it. However, since then, further studies have proven that pups need to be with their litter mates until 8 weeks, as part of their development. They learn bite inhibition, become established in sleep/wake patterns and learn good play behaviour. Also being with the rest of the litter helps them overcome timidity, as they follow the braver ones in scary situatiions. The difference between 6 and 8 week old puppies in terms of development, size etc. is just amazing. They grow and develop so much in that 2 weeks. Particularly their individuality and personality. At 8 weeks, 2 weeks is a quarter of their lives. And, pups which are not regularly wormed, especially if they come from an environment where there are a lot of worms, can develop life long problems. A bottle of Drontal puppy wormer costs about $16 and worms a medium size litter until they leave home - cheap at twice the price, and certainly worth it to ensure that no cysts develop. Good luck with her, you are a caring owner. Now, to the important stuff. Where are the PHOTOS?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy_and_Missys_Mum Posted August 19, 2007 Author Share Posted August 19, 2007 Good luck with her, you are a caring owner.Now, to the important stuff. Where are the PHOTOS?? I've uploaded a few photos to the photos forum last night Photos of Missy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jed Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 Wow, how cute is she!!! May you both have years of love and pleasure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falling_dawn Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 she is the cutest looking puppy ever and that face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy_and_Missys_Mum Posted August 23, 2007 Author Share Posted August 23, 2007 she is the cutest looking puppy ever and that face So I'm not just being biased Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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