SueM Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 the blackdog ones look good will get one next week, I bought some Ziwipeak treats for Midget but then discovered the high protein content none for midget guts while he is dieting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ah Ngau Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 You can use a chalk bag for rock climbing. Not as cheap a solution as ziplock but it looks cool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helen Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 I am a pocket person myself but in the past have had black dog bag and a bum bag from the handbag shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mushaka Posted August 2, 2007 Author Share Posted August 2, 2007 Love it clover..u have it all there !! clever idea..Thanx. My brother is a boat mechanic/dealer/rep..im gonna c if he can get me a bait bag like that..maybe i can get a freebie. I have the clicker already,and i normally stuff my pockets full of plastic bags. However i have found that my dogs arent public poopers..but "just in case" but i reckon ur little outfit makes u look like a pro ..all i need now is well behaved dogs...HHmmmm where to start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopuppy04 Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 I use a blackdog one - until the clasp broke and it won't stay open anymore.... www.blackdog.net.au SO now I use a bum bag when need be to keep treats in them as well as a toy for quick reward. The blackdog I use on walks when getting the treats out isn't so important. Dogs cue to rewards being on hand with the bait bag on real quick so like arya, coz I trial my dog, I usually train without and use pockets and target bags (external containers for reward)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arya Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 I use the Quickdraw brand of treat pouch....absolutely love it.I have used the Glad zip-lock bag in the pockets but I kept forgetting to remove them. I once washed half a bag of cut up devon treats in the washing machine I just LOVE finding bits of old treats floating around in the washing machine...YUK! Reminds me I was a vet nurse and some years ago we had a boxer with an intestinal blockage. He had to be operated on and what was inside him? A plastic bag a little bigger than a fist secured at the top with an elastic band, full of small bits of raw bone, chicken necks or something!!! The bag was completely intact... Motto - careful where you keep your treats. That far out of sight not good (The dog was fine after bag removal btw) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arya Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 SO now I use a bum bag when need be to keep treats in them as well as a toy for quick reward. The blackdog I use on walks when getting the treats out isn't so important. A bit OT but does Leo still have that great Kong squeaky ball intact? I got Tess one yesterday and she promptly worked out where the squeaker was positioned in the ball and punctured it, even through the tennis ball material!!! Then (and I can't believe she did this) she tried and tried to get it to keep squeaking and when it wouldn't she lay down on the floor on her side and refused to play with any of her toys at all Learned helplessness??? Or... a kiddie tantrum. The latter, I think! So off to the shop for a more robust one if I can find it today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopuppy04 Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 SO now I use a bum bag when need be to keep treats in them as well as a toy for quick reward. The blackdog I use on walks when getting the treats out isn't so important. A bit OT but does Leo still have that great Kong squeaky ball intact? I got Tess one yesterday and she promptly worked out where the squeaker was positioned in the ball and punctured it, even through the tennis ball material!!! Then (and I can't believe she did this) she tried and tried to get it to keep squeaking and when it wouldn't she lay down on the floor on her side and refused to play with any of her toys at all Learned helplessness??? Or... a kiddie tantrum. The latter, I think! So off to the shop for a more robust one if I can find it today ROFL - yes he still has it coz he only gets it at training - A tennis ball with a squeaker is his ultimate reward, so he only gets it when he has been REALLY good (ie: gaining his CD title) ;) ;) ;) Funny story though - Silly Tess! I did get Leo ages ago one of those cylinders with a ball in it - took him 30mins to work out how to get the ball out - despite the packaging saying the dogs would 'never' be able to get it out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poodle wrangler Posted August 3, 2007 Share Posted August 3, 2007 Bit off-topic, but one trainer at obedience isn't a fan of food rewards, while another is. The first will use food to teach the behaviour, then phase out. The other uses food all the time. Both seem to get results. We have both of them at different times. What do you think? Go with the flow as long as our dogs are responding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted August 3, 2007 Share Posted August 3, 2007 Bit off-topic, but one trainer at obedience isn't a fan of food rewards, while another is. The first will use food to teach the behaviour, then phase out. The other uses food all the time. Both seem to get results. We have both of them at different times. What do you think? Go with the flow as long as our dogs are responding? I'd want to know that my dogs would display the behaviours I ask for even in the absence of food. Otherwise, the obedience taught is only going to be apparent with food as a bribe. I want them to do it for me. Simply because I ask it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopuppy04 Posted August 3, 2007 Share Posted August 3, 2007 Bit off-topic, but one trainer at obedience isn't a fan of food rewards, while another is. The first will use food to teach the behaviour, then phase out. The other uses food all the time. Both seem to get results. We have both of them at different times. What do you think? Go with the flow as long as our dogs are responding? What do you mean as using food all the time? I'm a strong believer that a dog, once the behaviour is learnt shouldn't be rewarded EVERY time. Having said that - i'm probably more like the first trainer - i'll reward with food. I bribe with food only when the dog is initially learning the exercise. Main reason being is if you don't ask for a sit until you have food in your hand - the dogs will quickly learn that that is the *only* time it is worth it for them to 'sit'.... So yes - I will 'teach' the behaviour with food, but after that the food becomes a reward and the dogs don't know when/ where that reward is coming from. That doesn't mean that they hardly get rewarded - in fact, they probably get rewarded more using this method.... quality over quantity.... In answer to your question, i'd stick with one method and keep it consistent - otherwise your dog might get confused etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mushaka Posted August 3, 2007 Author Share Posted August 3, 2007 Bit off-topic, but one trainer at obedience isn't a fan of food rewards, while another is. The first will use food to teach the behaviour, then phase out. The other uses food all the time. Both seem to get results. We have both of them at different times. What do you think? Go with the flow as long as our dogs are responding? I'd want to know that my dogs would display the behaviours I ask for even in the absence of food. Otherwise, the obedience taught is only going to be apparent with food as a bribe. I want them to do it for me. Simply because I ask it. Erny,what do u use then? clicker? toy? verbal praise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shellbyville Posted August 3, 2007 Share Posted August 3, 2007 I use one of those vinyl, pin on treat bags, you can buy them at dog show vendors. It is great because it has a velcro seal, sometimes all I have to do is rip the velcro open and I have my dogs full attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mushaka Posted August 3, 2007 Author Share Posted August 3, 2007 good idea shellbyville..like the leash sound around my house!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arya Posted August 3, 2007 Share Posted August 3, 2007 (edited) If I am using food during a training session rather than just training in prey drive, I do more or less exactly the same as LP and I can tell you, LP is a great trainer!!! However, I have two different value rewards. I have treats in my pocket which get doled out during training intermittently for presenting excellent examples of behaviours I'm asking for, or improvements. Not a constant schedule of treats for everything unless it's a new behaviour/exercise I'm teaching. OR UNLESS ITS A COMPLEX TRICK> if it's a trick, I reward every single time as tricks often involve a series of complex behaviours and require a constant level of reward, as well as a marker word imho. But during obedience I'm same as LP but I keep a hose tucked down my back pocket, or tucked behind my back through my jeans belt, to be drawn out and thrown and used as a tug when Tess brings it back as super end of excercise reward or really good job or when working on an exercise where I am building drive to return and go out, such as dumbell. Pull the hose out like you might pull arrows out from off your back LOL. I've recently swapped to hoses over tennis balls on the advice of a friend and found them far superior to tennis balls as they are more interactive as you can both throw and grab two hands and have a good tug. Won't fit in your treats bag though LOL. Edited August 3, 2007 by Arya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopuppy04 Posted August 3, 2007 Share Posted August 3, 2007 If I am using food during a training session rather than just training in prey drive, I do more or less exactly the same as LP and I can tell you, LP is a great trainer!!! Awww shucks - thanks Arya ..... But I still beg to differ! I have a good dog with a handler who doesn't know how to walk straight oh - and flicks her arm when she is pointing at obstacles for agility - it is a wonder the dog can do *anything*! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC Posted August 3, 2007 Share Posted August 3, 2007 I dont use treat bags. I always wear a vest, the pockets are very easy access, or I store the treats in my mouth. (No not dog food, hot dogs etc) Makes my dog watch me constantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poodle wrangler Posted August 5, 2007 Share Posted August 5, 2007 Bit off-topic, but one trainer at obedience isn't a fan of food rewards, while another is. The first will use food to teach the behaviour, then phase out. The other uses food all the time. Both seem to get results. We have both of them at different times. What do you think? Go with the flow as long as our dogs are responding? What do you mean as using food all the time? I'm a strong believer that a dog, once the behaviour is learnt shouldn't be rewarded EVERY time. Having said that - i'm probably more like the first trainer - i'll reward with food. I bribe with food only when the dog is initially learning the exercise. Main reason being is if you don't ask for a sit until you have food in your hand - the dogs will quickly learn that that is the *only* time it is worth it for them to 'sit'.... So yes - I will 'teach' the behaviour with food, but after that the food becomes a reward and the dogs don't know when/ where that reward is coming from. That doesn't mean that they hardly get rewarded - in fact, they probably get rewarded more using this method.... quality over quantity.... In answer to your question, i'd stick with one method and keep it consistent - otherwise your dog might get confused etc I guess she doesn't use it "all the time", but much more frequently than the other trainer e.g. I'd go thru a pocketful of food over 45 minutes vs. about 3 times as much with the other trainer. I find food certainly help my dogs to focus on me, but don't like to feed my dogs treats constantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weimlover Posted August 5, 2007 Share Posted August 5, 2007 I love the Blackdog treat pouches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mushaka Posted August 14, 2007 Author Share Posted August 14, 2007 Hey all...i found a canvas bag that clips onto ur belt/pants. Its meant to be for a ball etc and has a drawstring on top. I fold the top drawstring part down while training and can fit my WHOLE hand in to pull out a treat easily. a grand sum of $4.50 !! PERFECT P.S..found it at Petcare 2000 Taren Point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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