indi_dog Posted August 20, 2007 Author Share Posted August 20, 2007 Congratulations! Pleeeease tell me the ground was less muddy I thought I was gonna break my leg at the state trials Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t(AD)pole Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 (edited) I filled out my entry form but I just want to check its ok and ask a few q's...for "Date of Fixture" do i write the date of the trial? At the bottom of the form (underneath my details) it says "Member of:" and "Club:" Is that just what obedience club I belong to? Does it matter if I leave it blank? For the "ENTERED IN" I crossed out obedience, agility and tracking and wrote "Herding: Instinct Test 1" is that right? and one more.... For "NAME OF EXHIBIT" do I write Abbies call name or registered name? I wrote registered but im just checking. Congrats on Rosies PT, Riles! Edited August 20, 2007 by t(AD)pole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indi_dog Posted August 20, 2007 Author Share Posted August 20, 2007 I haven't been filling in the date of fixture, or the line above it because I have no idea what it means I put down my obedience club in the member of: and club: section, I don't know why you need to do it though? Yes, in the entered part I just cross out the others (obedience class, agility class etc etc) and write herding, and then next to it write down the name of the test you want to do. I also put the date of the test down just incase! Put Abbie's registered name on the form. Remember to write down the registration numbers of Abbie's mum and dad too, that's something I almost missed last time!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t(AD)pole Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 Awesome! I'll send it tomorrow! How exciting! Thank you!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsD Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 dunno why you don't want to go straight into Started, I took Jarrah into his A course started the very same day that he did his first PT run in training - Tracey said to me "Get out there, if you can do PT you can do Started" . Because the Mumma Bear has no clue :D Will see what the mentors think and take it from there. Do you have a copy of the rule book? I found reading the rules & actually working out what each part of the course meant & checking distances etc was a big help before I went out there & did it with the dog. I read them over & over & over, during the day when I was at home, on the toilet, each night before I went to sleep, I read it until I knew exactly where I had to go & what I had to do. Also walking around the course without the dog with someone experienced to help you was a big help as well. Once you go out without the sheep & the dog the pressure is taken off & you can work out where you need to be & even more important, where the dog needs to be put to put the pressure on the sheep in the right place . Do you have somewhere that you regularly train? If so they will be able to walk you through A course, it's not actually as hard as it looks if you have good cotrol over your dog . If I can do it, you can do it too, believe in yourself . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riles Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 Pleeeease tell me the ground was less muddy I thought I was gonna break my leg at the state trials I wish I could but I'd be lieing, where the tunnel is for the sheep to enter the big paddock, up to your ankles still in mud :o They did however do the tests in the big paddock, we just brought out extra fencing and made a small yard so unless the other area dries out, I imagine the same will happen at the ASCV trial I filled out my entry form but I just want to check its ok and ask a few q's...for "Date of Fixture" do i write the date of the trial? At the bottom of the form (underneath my details) it says "Member of:" and "Club:" Is that just what obedience club I belong to? Does it matter if I leave it blank? For the "ENTERED IN" I crossed out obedience, agility and tracking and wrote "Herding: Instinct Test 1" is that right? and one more.... For "NAME OF EXHIBIT" do I write Abbies call name or registered name? I wrote registered but im just checking. Date of fixture, I always put the two days the trial is on ie. ASCV I wrote "1+2 September 06". I've never put anything in the "member of club" bit so it doesn't matter if you leave it blank. You did perfect with the "entered in" bit. You have to put her registered name, number etc and like Indi said, Mum and Dads details/numbers also. I also mentioned to Kate on the weekend that you'd be sending your entry in and giving her a call to make sure it was all okey dokey, she said NO PROBLEM :D Do you have a copy of the rule book? I found reading the rules & actually working out what each part of the course meant & checking distances etc was a big help before I went out there & did it with the dog. I read them over & over & over, during the day when I was at home, on the toilet, each night before I went to sleep, I read it until I knew exactly where I had to go & what I had to do. Also walking around the course without the dog with someone experienced to help you was a big help as well. Once you go out without the sheep & the dog the pressure is taken off & you can work out where you need to be & even more important, where the dog needs to be put to put the pressure on the sheep in the right place ;) . Do you have somewhere that you regularly train? If so they will be able to walk you through A course, it's not actually as hard as it looks if you have good cotrol over your dog . If I can do it, you can do it too, believe in yourself . I actually read them religiously and I also pratice in my head when I go to bed, I literally count sheepies to fall asleep :eek: But its more me that needs the practice and we also need to get a few more commands on Rosie now. We do regularly train but the next trial is coming up so quickly so I'll just see how we go on the weekend. Thankfully there is no mention of not being allowed to pick up your dog after penning the sheep and planting kisses all over her face I just can't believe how much fun it is or how nice the people are, especially to newbies, definately a great sport to participate in Happy Herding & Good Luck To All Riles & Rosie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indi_dog Posted August 22, 2007 Author Share Posted August 22, 2007 Pleeeease tell me the ground was less muddy I thought I was gonna break my leg at the state trials I wish I could but I'd be lieing, where the tunnel is for the sheep to enter the big paddock, up to your ankles still in mud They did however do the tests in the big paddock, we just brought out extra fencing and made a small yard so unless the other area dries out, I imagine the same will happen at the ASCV trial Phew!!!!! Did they round off the corners like they're s'posed to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indi_dog Posted August 23, 2007 Author Share Posted August 23, 2007 Riles just out of curiosity, how come you don't use a crook when you herd? I was wondering, I'm only new to this sport and I noticed most people like to herd with a stick lol. Or was it just the way you were trained? I tried herding without a crook but Indi is way to fast for me to just use hand signals (actually, I think she just ignores them) - whereas she can't ignore a rake in her face!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsD Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 Riles just out of curiosity, how come you don't use a crook when you herd? I was wondering, I'm only new to this sport and I noticed most people like to herd with a stick lol. Or was it just the way you were trained?I tried herding without a crook but Indi is way to fast for me to just use hand signals (actually, I think she just ignores them) - whereas she can't ignore a rake in her face!! you're right - she is just ignoring you . I don't know about Riles but I've never used a rake I did use a staff for about the first 4 lessons but got rid of that & started using just my arm & body & Jarrah actually worked better off my body language without the staff. But then I started putting sides on Jarrah from the minute he started training for his HT, so I don't need to "block him" to get him to change direction or stop . I've found most of the best dog/handler combinations in the trial classes up here don't use a staff. I know that he doesnt go to Melb very often (he was down there a month or so ago), but if you ever get a chance to go to lessons or do a workshop with Colin Webster, do it! :D You will learn heaps & your dog will improve out of sight - no rakes, no harsh handling & no stress for the dog or the sheep . I went to my first workshop with Colin when I had just got my HIC - we'd only been in the round yard a half a dozen times & now, 3 months later we are working at Started level - Colin is fabulous :cry: . (no, I'm not on the payroll, I just happen to think he's God :D ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superminty Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 Don't know about anyone else but the main reason I use a crook is to keep my hands busy so I don't give my dog too many mixed signals, me being the novice I am. Chucking hands out left right and centre only confuses the dog and happens all too much in trial sitations where the nerves get the better of you. I prefer to allow Cash to learn to read his stock and work them accordingly. Once he has that down pat, I will impose my will upon him more often I haven't put sides on him yet so I use it to keep him off the head (he is known as a "heading" dog, so always wants to be there, regardless of whether the "head" is "heading" nicely into the pen ). I use it in training as a arm extension/command enforcer (and no, I don't hit my dog with it ). Cash has soooo much drive and enthusiasm that I would have a lot less control without it at this early stage in his training. Later down the track I will certainly give it the flick once we've established a bit more control and got the commands happening. Technically however, the crook is an aid in moving stock and really has nothing to do with the dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riles Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 Pleeeease tell me the ground was less muddy I thought I was gonna break my leg at the state trials I wish I could but I'd be lieing, where the tunnel is for the sheep to enter the big paddock, up to your ankles still in mud They did however do the tests in the big paddock, we just brought out extra fencing and made a small yard so unless the other area dries out, I imagine the same will happen at the ASCV trial Phew!!!!! Did they round off the corners like they're s'posed to? Riles just out of curiosity, how come you don't use a crook when you herd? I was wondering, I'm only new to this sport and I noticed most people like to herd with a stick lol. Or was it just the way you were trained?I tried herding without a crook but Indi is way to fast for me to just use hand signals (actually, I think she just ignores them) - whereas she can't ignore a rake in her face!! I'm only VERY new myself sweets The less I interfere the better, mouth shut and hands in pockets. I only open my mouth to say "stop" and one hand up in the air. If I need to push her around one hand out of pocket in the direction I want her to go with no vocal command. Actually Herding Guy taught me that, he's always in my head saying "shut the fark up Riley, stop interferring n let the dog work" :) I get nervous and say the opposite of my hands, also I did use a stick in her first PT that day (VHA trial), however I made the mistake of hunting her out with it too much so she started focusing more on the stick than the sheep, so threw it over the fence during the test. Just about everytime I have corrected her, she had it right and I was wrong It really comes down to what works for you and your dog, different strokes for different folks From watching a lot of other people trial, and my own tests, where we all fall down? We interfere with the dog too much just IMH newbie opinion More practice, more practice, more practice, for the Mumma Bear, the child could do it with her eyes shut *sigh* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesomil Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 Hello Can someone tell me when the next herding trial or test is on at KCC park? I would love to come and have a look and finally see for myself what it is all about. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riles Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 Hello Can someone tell me when the next herding trial or test is on at KCC park? I would love to come and have a look and finally see for myself what it is all about. Thanks Australian Shepherd Club trial is on next weekend (1+2 September) at KCC Park, the link is on a few pages back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesomil Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 Thanks for that Riles. I should have read the whole thread . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indi_dog Posted August 24, 2007 Author Share Posted August 24, 2007 Makes sense to me! Indi has grabbed the stick on occasion with her teeth and tried to duck around it she's a really PUSHY girl who wants to do everything her own way I thought it was just me, but our different trainers have confirmed that she's pushy Here's hoping we can do away with the rake soon, it gets heavy after a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kowai Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 Makes sense to me! Indi has grabbed the stick on occasion with her teeth and tried to duck around it she's a really PUSHY girl who wants to do everything her own way I thought it was just me, but our different trainers have confirmed that she's pushy :D Here's hoping we can do away with the rake soon, it gets heavy after a while. Wow you're doing herding?? Tell me when you compete so we can come watch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indi_dog Posted August 31, 2007 Author Share Posted August 31, 2007 We're only in the "test" phase here lol I'm trying to get our second Herding Tested pass this Sunday at KCC Park. I'll be there bright and early at... 7am Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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