Guest Robatife BCs Posted July 17, 2007 Share Posted July 17, 2007 Hi all, Was wondering if it is ok to feed a pup Royal Canin Energy 4300. She is eating Nutrience Active at the moment, as I dont feed puppy food. I gather that with the protein and fat levels being virtually the same as Nutrience Active it would be ok...but just wanted to check with some more knowledgable people Daisy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayreovi Posted July 17, 2007 Share Posted July 17, 2007 Is there any reason that a puppy would need to go on such a high fat/protein diet? How old is the pup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Robatife BCs Posted July 17, 2007 Share Posted July 17, 2007 Is there any reason that a puppy would need to go on such a high fat/protein diet?How old is the pup? Hi, The level of protein and fat found in the adult energy foods are the same as most of the puppy foods so there really is no difference. Just wanted to know if it was ok to food this particular energy food to a pup. Daisy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormie Posted July 17, 2007 Share Posted July 17, 2007 (edited) I agree, this food, IMO, has a too larger percentage of protein and fat. The protein level is about 33% and the fat level is about 21%. These are too high for a growing pup as they can cause pup to grow too fast, which can result in skeletal problems. This particular food is recommended for large breed dogs, aged over 15months, who are working or sporting. From "Small Animal Clinical Nutrition" - '(Large breed) Puppies on a high calorie intake after weaning have been shown to develop hip dysplasia more frequently, earlier, and more severely..." The Royal Canin Lg Breed Puppy has whilst is has 32% protein, only has 14% fat, compared to the 21% in the 4300. Large breed pups want less fat as to not grow too fast. Edited July 17, 2007 by stormie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Robatife BCs Posted July 17, 2007 Share Posted July 17, 2007 Well actually, if you have a look at most of the premium dog foods, their puppy food for medium breeds generally contains 18-20% fat and 30% protein. Infact, Royal Canin Medium Junior has 20% fat and 32% protein!!! So sorry but I dont understand what the difference is between feeding this energy food and feeding puppy food? Daisy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayreovi Posted July 17, 2007 Share Posted July 17, 2007 (edited) Looks like you have already made up your mind on it. All i know and have been told is Cyno is designed for adult dogs, i was looking at getting it because my young boy (at the time 2 years) wouldnt put on any weight because he was very active and we do agility and flyball. Though i still dont see why you would need to put a puppy on it? Edited July 17, 2007 by tollersowned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gottalovealab Posted July 17, 2007 Share Posted July 17, 2007 Ok, so why do you not feed puppy food in the first place?? If its about protein and fat levels being too high, why are you compensating with a food that is equal (or more) in both? IMO i would stick with a general adult food, you then lower the risk of you're pups bones growing too quickly and having problems later on down the track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
becks Posted July 17, 2007 Share Posted July 17, 2007 I'm curious why you don't just feed the junior food? The best people to answer your question would be Royal Canin, especially one of the reps, I find them very honest over what would be the best option for your dog (and not just repeating what it says on the back of the bag!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scales of Justice Posted July 17, 2007 Share Posted July 17, 2007 I would not use that food on a puppy. I would use a puppy food which has been formulated especially for puppy growth. Some adult foods do not have the correct balances necessary for puppy growth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Robatife BCs Posted July 18, 2007 Share Posted July 18, 2007 Hi all, Thanks for your replies. I have been told by several breeders that there is no reason why I cant feed a puppy an adult dog food (energy) because it has pretty much the same levels of protein/fat etc as the puppy food does. This works out great for me because then I can feed my dogs all the one diet as well. Its not just a matter of saving $$, I wouldnt feed her the adult food if I knew it would do harm, I think I will stick to the Royal Canin Sensible which has 25% protein and 18% fat. Thanks again, Daisy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scales of Justice Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 Thanks for your replies. I have been told by several breeders that there is no reason why I cant feed a puppy an adult dog food (energy) because it has pretty much the same levels of protein/fat etc as the puppy food does. This works out great for me because then I can feed my dogs all the one diet as well. Its not the protein and fat levels you have to worry about so much with a puppy (although you would not want excessive levels of either) but the mineral balance that matters. Calcium and phosphorus must be in the correct ratios and some adult foods are not so precise. (Also if a large breed, glucosamine/chondroitin additives are desirable to protect joints while growing unless you are going to substitute it yourself) Most puppy foods accommodate nutrients for the growth stages (requirements for bones and joints). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Robatife BCs Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 Thanks Scales Of Justice, I will compare the two foods (adult and puppy) and go from there. Thanks Daisy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloss344 Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 (edited) Feeding dogs/puppies can sometimes seem so complicated. The nutrient requirements for puppies are much higher for puppies than adult dogs. It's something like twice. Although the Energy will probably have a good supply of minerals for an adult active dog, as most dry food is oversupplemented, This food is very high fat at 30%. This equates to it being 591 kilocalories per cup. Puppy food has 412 kilocalories per cup and is 22% fat. You would feed a considerable lesser amount if using the Energy to avoid obesity during growth, which means you would be feeding less nutrients. The Adult food has 331 kcals per cup and has 14/% so you would feed more of that and perhaps get enough nutrients for a pup. Does that make sense? Edited July 21, 2007 by bloss344 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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