Cosmolo Posted July 4, 2007 Share Posted July 4, 2007 I was having a read through the obedience rule book today and was reading through CCD exercises and what results in disqualification, minor deductions etc. Was a passenger in a car and bored so read through rules for fun.. sad huh! In the stand for exam it says that disqualification occurs for a dog who attacks, deductions for things like moving feet, needing a second command etc. We were DQ'd at our members trial the other week- for our stand for exam- and am a bit confused after reading the rules today s to why were were DQ'd as she most certainly did not attack or try to Is my rule book old (only got it last year) or wrong? Or does it mean we got penalised for something else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC Posted July 4, 2007 Share Posted July 4, 2007 Did she move all 4 feet ? I think that is NQ for the higher classes but not 100% sure for CCD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheres my rock Posted July 4, 2007 Share Posted July 4, 2007 (edited) did she move when you wre leaving her and you didnt see it Edited July 4, 2007 by wheres my rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom Posted July 4, 2007 Share Posted July 4, 2007 I heard of a girl up here that got NQ'd in the SFE for her lead touching the ground when she left the dog....its not in the rules, but it happened. I'd be asking why. May all be above board, but if there's something you've missed that you need to train for its best knowing sooner rather than later. Cosmolo, is this the same club at which the instructors were giving you grief in agility? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J... Posted July 4, 2007 Share Posted July 4, 2007 As far as I was aware, it would be a NQ (scoring under the 50% required to pass that section). There is a big difference between, as I found out when stewarding a CCD ring and I copied the results over as DQ thinking they were both the same Always worth reading over the rule book I've found, one of our members got DQ'd for something in a games trial a few weeks ago and he shouldn't have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmolo Posted July 4, 2007 Author Share Posted July 4, 2007 She didn't actually move any of her feet, but rocked back into a bow. My OH was handling so i had a perfect view of what she did. Yes it is the same club Rom. I just want to know for next time more than anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsD Posted July 4, 2007 Share Posted July 4, 2007 Cosmo, my guess is it was supposed to be an NQ, not a DQ - whether the steward copied it incorrectly or the judge wasn't terribly experienced & wrote the wrong thing down, I'm betting it was supposed to be an NQ (which as FP metioned is very different to a DQ). IMO if the dog rocked back into a bow (presumably the elbows touched the ground) that would have been a break of position which would mean an NQ score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopuppy04 Posted July 4, 2007 Share Posted July 4, 2007 She didn't actually move any of her feet, but rocked back into a bow. My OH was handling so i had a perfect view of what she did. Yes it is the same club Rom. I just want to know for next time more than anything else. You will get DQ'd if she *moves all 4 feet (don't I know it - Leo shook in his SFE which was an immediate DQ!) *shows any form of aggression *does not maintain position (so in your case coz she 'bowed'). Does that make more sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsD Posted July 4, 2007 Share Posted July 4, 2007 She didn't actually move any of her feet, but rocked back into a bow. My OH was handling so i had a perfect view of what she did. Yes it is the same club Rom. I just want to know for next time more than anything else. You will get DQ'd if she *moves all 4 feet (don't I know it - Leo shook in his SFE which was an immediate DQ!) *shows any form of aggression *does not maintain position (so in your case coz she 'bowed'). Does that make more sense? LP, the dog will not be DQed for moving it's feet or not maintaining position. A DQ & an NQ are completely different things! If you are DQed the dog is DQed from any further competition on the day & the judge has to provide a written report to the controlling body within 14 days except in instances where the disqualification was incurred for barking or a correction from the handler. A zero score (& an NQ) is for a dog which breaks from position, shows an obvious tendency to attack or doesnt carry out the principle feature of the exercise. Which IMO is what Cosmo's dog did. Check your rule book . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopuppy04 Posted July 4, 2007 Share Posted July 4, 2007 She didn't actually move any of her feet, but rocked back into a bow. My OH was handling so i had a perfect view of what she did. Yes it is the same club Rom. I just want to know for next time more than anything else. You will get DQ'd if she *moves all 4 feet (don't I know it - Leo shook in his SFE which was an immediate DQ!) *shows any form of aggression *does not maintain position (so in your case coz she 'bowed'). Does that make more sense? LP, the dog will not be DQed for moving it's feet or not maintaining position. A DQ & an NQ are completely different things! If you are DQed the dog is DQed from any further competition on the day & the judge has to provide a written report to the controlling body within 14 days except in instances where the disqualification was incurred for barking or a correction from the handler. A zero score (& an NQ) is for a dog which breaks from position, shows an obvious tendency to attack or doesnt carry out the principle feature of the exercise. Which IMO is what Cosmo's dog did. Check your rule book . oops I keep thinking that DQ and NQ are the same things in obedience (know they are different for agility) - so what would cause a dog to be DQ'd then??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsD Posted July 4, 2007 Share Posted July 4, 2007 (edited) oops I keep thinking that DQ and NQ are the same things in obedience (know they are different for agility) - so what would cause a dog to be DQ'd then??? You will get DQ if your dog attacks a person or another dog or for continual barking. As the handler, you can also be DQed for a correction - however most times if the correction is only minor you'll be given a warning & get points taken off. I think they put it under deductions for "guidance with the lead" . Any harsh correction will probably get you a DQ though. ETA - I forgot that taking food, toys, training aids etc into the ring is also penalized by disqualification. Edited July 5, 2007 by MrsD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoemonster Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 (edited) I'm pretty sure it was an NQ not a DQ, as she finished everything else, did her stays Edited July 5, 2007 by shoemonster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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