ish Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 Should've read the rules BEFORE I entered the trials, but oh well - does anyone know if this: COMMUNITY COMPANION DOG CLASS: For dogs, six months of age or over, and of either sex which are not eligible for the title of Community Companion Dog (C.C.D.). Under no circumstances except where an application for a C.C.D. Title has been rejected on a technicality, shall a dog, which has gained a qualifying score in a Novice Class, be eligible to compete in the Community Companion Dog Class. A dog is not permitted to compete in the Community Companion Dog Class and a Novice Class at the same trial. means 1) The whole event run by a club - ie. The Geelong Obedience Dog Club trials, AM and PM trials over 2 days, a dog must only be in CCD all 4 trials 2) Trials on one day - AM and PM trials on Saturday can't be one CCD and one Novice (but Sunday could be both Novice?) 3) Both classes during the same trial - ie competing in CCD and then the Novice class in the AM trial Saturday Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keshwar Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 Should've read the rules BEFORE I entered the trials, but oh well - does anyone know if this:COMMUNITY COMPANION DOG CLASS: For dogs, six months of age or over, and of either sex which are not eligible for the title of Community Companion Dog (C.C.D.). Under no circumstances except where an application for a C.C.D. Title has been rejected on a technicality, shall a dog, which has gained a qualifying score in a Novice Class, be eligible to compete in the Community Companion Dog Class. A dog is not permitted to compete in the Community Companion Dog Class and a Novice Class at the same trial. means 1) The whole event run by a club - ie. The Geelong Obedience Dog Club trials, AM and PM trials over 2 days, a dog must only be in CCD all 4 trials 2) Trials on one day - AM and PM trials on Saturday can't be one CCD and one Novice (but Sunday could be both Novice?) 3) Both classes during the same trial - ie competing in CCD and then the Novice class in the AM trial Saturday Thanks I would say 3. As a trial is a single event. I'm not sure how you could enter a dog in both classes at the same trial tho'. Bear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laffi Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 sorry I definitely will not be much help what is the difference between CCD and novice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopuppy04 Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 It means 3. You can't compete in both CCD and Novice during the ONE trial (ie: AM trial) So you could enter 3 CCD classes and a Novice class over the weekend, but not both in 1 trial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keshwar Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 sorry I definitely will not be much help what is the difference between CCD and novice? CCD: Heel on lead with position changes including figure of 8 Stand for exam on lead Recall 10m (I think) 1 min sit stay 2 min down stay Novice: Heel free with position changes including figure of 8 Stand for exam free Recall 12m (I think) Option of change of position or; retrieve on flat 2 min sit say 3 min down stay. HTH. Bear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopuppy04 Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 bear - novice only has a 1min sit-stay also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReXy Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 (edited) i wouldnt think you could enter both classes at same trial with same dog.? but if the dog gained its ccd title on say the saturday could it enter the novice on sunday? or the pm trial.... if thats what your asking> dont quiet understand, brain freeze here its to cold need more coffee.. Edited June 25, 2007 by ReXy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ish Posted June 25, 2007 Author Share Posted June 25, 2007 (edited) Thanks very much, I am so relieved! Despite advice suggesting otherwise, I've entered 3 CCD and one Novice (she needs 2 CCD passes) and I was gaining confidence that we could do it - until I read the rules. No doubt it won't run that smoothly on the weekend, but we'll live dangerously!! She's either going to blitz them all, or muck up every single one. If she doesn't get her 2 CCD passes, we wont trial in Novice. I'm glad I asked! ETA in my mind, CCD and Novice aren't too far apart. Other than expecting a higher standard in Novice, the exercises are pretty similar, especially seeing as the onlead stuff in CCD is expected on a loose lead. We practise both in training. The other difference is the finish for the recall - step back to the dog in CCD, dog returns to handler in Novice. Edited June 25, 2007 by ImaShepHead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReXy Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 you can do it , have confidence good luck... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopuppy04 Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 i wouldnt think you could enter both classes at same trial with same dog.? but if the dog gained its ccd title on say the saturday could it enter the novice on sunday? or the pm trial.... if thats what your asking> dont quiet understand, brain freeze here its to cold need more coffee.. Once the entry dates have closed - you can't change your class (catalogues written etc). So if you got your CCD on the Sat - you would either enter CCD again on Sun or scratch. That is how I ended up with 5 CCD passes . nothing like absence nerves making you work better ;! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReXy Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 i wouldnt think you could enter both classes at same trial with same dog.? but if the dog gained its ccd title on say the saturday could it enter the novice on sunday? or the pm trial.... if thats what your asking> dont quiet understand, brain freeze here its to cold need more coffee.. Once the entry dates have closed - you can't change your class (catalogues written etc). So if you got your CCD on the Sat - you would either enter CCD again on Sun or scratch. That is how I ended up with 5 CCD passes . nothing like absence nerves making you work better ;! lol yep i didnt word that very well. i ment that say if u needed 1 pass and got it ,scratch on sunday or do ccd again just for the fun of it.. lol ohh der u obviously couldnt enter novice of u hadnt got the last pass..lol 5 ccd passes. lol well done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ish Posted June 25, 2007 Author Share Posted June 25, 2007 That is how I ended up with 5 CCD passes :p. nothing like absence nerves making you work better ;! See, that would be just too easy! I thrive on stress I'm one of those people the judge tells to have a good stiff drink before my next trial I really don't know why I've done it, seemed like a good idea at the time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopuppy04 Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 i wouldnt think you could enter both classes at same trial with same dog.? but if the dog gained its ccd title on say the saturday could it enter the novice on sunday? or the pm trial.... if thats what your asking> dont quiet understand, brain freeze here its to cold need more coffee.. Once the entry dates have closed - you can't change your class (catalogues written etc). So if you got your CCD on the Sat - you would either enter CCD again on Sun or scratch. That is how I ended up with 5 CCD passes . nothing like absence nerves making you work better ;! lol yep i didnt word that very well. i ment that say if u needed 1 pass and got it ,scratch on sunday or do ccd again just for the fun of it.. lol ohh der u obviously couldnt enter novice of u hadnt got the last pass..lol 5 ccd passes. lol well done LOL - yeah i knew what you meant - but you can enter Novice before getting your CCD title - it isn't necessary, but a good 'step' before going in the 'off lead' bits . but If you did get your title on the Sat for example, you can only move up a class if entry dates haven't closed... that make more sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keshwar Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 bear - novice only has a 1min sit-stay also :p Damn I was doing so well. I know the CCD exercises so well cos I've been doing it so long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoemonster Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 I'm one of those people the judge tells to have a good stiff drink before my next trial laugh.gif Ohhh thats what my judge told me on Sunday Good luck Ishy, which trial is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmoo Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 I'm one of those people the judge tells to have a good stiff drink before my next trial laugh.gif Ohhh thats what my judge told me on Sunday Good luck Ishy, which trial is it? You can not enter ccd and novice on the same day or even the next day.you are either competing in ccd or novice.you actually are to have put in for your title before you can enter at the next level.it doesnt have to appeared in vic dog ,but your paper work must be in the pipeline.hope this has cleared up your question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoemonster Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 Wouldnt that only apply to the levels above novice? Being that you dont have to have CCD to go for novice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ish Posted June 25, 2007 Author Share Posted June 25, 2007 You can not enter ccd and novice on the same day or even the next day.you are either competing in ccd or novice.you actually are to have put in for your title before you can enter at the next level.it doesnt have to appeared in vic dog ,but your paper work must be in the pipeline.hope this has cleared up your question. Are you sure? Doesn't mention this in the rules at all. I know its the case for the higher levels where the level before is a prerequisite, but as Shoey said, thats not the case with CCD to Novice. http://www.geocities.com/vicobedience/ankcobedrules.pdf I guess we'll find out for sure on the day of the trials! Shoey, its the Geelong trials coming up in a few weeks - thanks for the luck, we'll need it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 Nope you should be able to enter Novice on the Sunday since you don't have to complete CCD. You can have 1 leg in CCD and then decide to enter Novice if you wish so even if you failed the two CCD trials or failed one of the two you are still eligible to compete in Novice. If you passed in Novice though you couldn't then obviously go back and complete CCD. If you failed novice though then you could do CCD at a later trial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tangwyn Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 On a slightly different point; since CCD isn't a prerequisite to do Novice why is it that the CCD after your dog's name is lost as soon as you gain your CD? Shouldn't it remain as a mark to those who actually gain that title? I can understand that CDX replaces CD because you MUST gain your CD to get a CDX - this ain't the case with CCD and CD. What are other people's thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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