weisnjac Posted June 23, 2007 Share Posted June 23, 2007 We were at Hasting's Obedience Trial (great trial by the way ) I was standing outside the UD ring watching mum with Millie as usuall (not very close). She was last in the ring and I thought I would hang around for the stays (Millie had bombed by then ). I was standing outside the UD ring, not thinking I was doing anything wrong, but someone came up to us after it had finished and told me I could get into trouble for double handling In future, I wont be anywhere near mum's ring as I don't want to cause any trouble, but I was wondering what the stance on this. I was told if I was standing to one side I would be OK. I like watching mum in the ring, cause she likes to know how they went, can I watch her in the ring and leave for the stays, or is it best to watch from afar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopuppy04 Posted June 23, 2007 Share Posted June 23, 2007 Don't see how it could be - all you were doing was watching...... weird Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC Posted June 23, 2007 Share Posted June 23, 2007 Dunno I would not see it a problem if you were not communicating with your mum in any way while she was in the ring or making any obvious movements the dog would pick up on. Everyone is allowed to watch. I have stood close to the rings before when watching a friend and I dont see it a problem at all. Double handling Who told you it could be double handling ?? An official or another competitor etc ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J... Posted June 23, 2007 Share Posted June 23, 2007 I wouldn't worry about it - funny some of the stuff that you can apparently get in trouble for I would've thought it would've been a disadvantage to the dog if anything, I know a few people are a bit funny about people the dogs know standing close in case they get distracted Pity no-one in authority said anything to the person at Warringal standing near the ring with a squeaky toy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weisnjac Posted June 23, 2007 Author Share Posted June 23, 2007 It was a judge who mentioned it, and I trust and value their opinion. I just wasn't sure if I was allowed to stand out front and watch or not. There is more chance of Millie coming out to see me than anything else but to someone who doesn't know that, maybe it is seen as intimidation (sp?) or something I think I'll play it safe and watch from the car from now on. I was quite embarresed at the thought that some people thought we might be cheating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheres my rock Posted June 23, 2007 Share Posted June 23, 2007 a few years back there was a problem wiht handlers standing outide the ring to make sure a dog stayed in trianing that person would correct the dog if it broke rather than the handler going back so it is frowned upon when someone known to the dog is standing right outside the ring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted June 23, 2007 Share Posted June 23, 2007 I can see why they said that. Am assuming an out of sight stay? You are a family member so the dog might be more comfortable staying with you in view. Different then watching a friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted June 23, 2007 Share Posted June 23, 2007 (edited) OMG though they would have to totally remove everybody from outside the ring if they wanted to prevent any suspicion of that. I mean a family member sure but even a member of the same club or a friend (and hell when you trial a lot you are bound to have other trialling friends at the trial). Not that I do it but you could easy have a training buddy correct the dog or a number of training buddies and then have them stand outside the ring. Anybody could be construed as double handling a dog. Edited June 23, 2007 by ness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted June 23, 2007 Share Posted June 23, 2007 Couldn't find anything in the rules. Unless the judge decided that if it wasn't for the family member standing there that the dog would have broken. That could be viewed as a second signal type thing I guess. Any judges around?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tapferhund Posted June 23, 2007 Share Posted June 23, 2007 weisenjac.........don't worry about it and don't let ONE persons opinion ,even if they are a judge , ruin your watching your Mum in the ring. As long as you are not doing anything wrong and just watching......stay and continue to watch.......as many others do with their family members , spouses and friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weisnjac Posted June 24, 2007 Author Share Posted June 24, 2007 Thanks for the replies everyone . I can see where they are coming from, just never gave it a thought before Does make sence when you think about it. I will from now on, watch ring work but leave for the stays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t(AD)pole Posted June 24, 2007 Share Posted June 24, 2007 I thought it was only double handling when you said something to the dog or handler in the ring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbiemax71 Posted June 24, 2007 Share Posted June 24, 2007 I have seen someone do this once, his partner was doing the Open Stays (out of sight) and he stood outside the ring as his partner was having trouble with the dog braking, the dog did the stays and passed the trial. weisnjac- not saying at all that this is what you were doing, just saying I have seen it done before, if there is nothing in the rule book about it, cant see how they could enforce it. I have seen dogs break the stays as there was someone the dog knows standing outside the ring anyway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 I don't trial and would not have thought of this "double handling" occurring ..... or even being a possibility. A bit sad that competition can bring out the worst in some people. They're only cheating themselves and their dogs. But I guess the thought wouldn't matter to them. Sadly, 'cheating' happens in many sports. The dog world is not alone there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReXy Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 (edited) We were at Hasting's Obedience Trial (great trial by the way ) I was standing outside the UD ring watching mum with Millie as usuall (not very close). She was last in the ring and I thought I would hang around for the stays (Millie had bombed by then ). I was standing outside the UD ring, not thinking I was doing anything wrong, but someone came up to us after it had finished and told me I could get into trouble for double handling :p In future, I wont be anywhere near mum's ring as I don't want to cause any trouble, but I was wondering what the stance on this. I was told if I was standing to one side I would be OK. I like watching mum in the ring, cause she likes to know how they went, can I watch her in the ring and leave for the stays, or is it best to watch from afar? glad you had a nice day at the trial it was a great day had by all.. do you know if it was anyone from the club that told you.? maybe they thought u were giving signals to the dog..? strange but i have heard of that too, if judges dont want you to be to close they will usually ask you to move away a bit from the ring anyway. i wouldnt worry to much u did nothing wrong. if it were a dog i knew, id be watching from a bit of a distance incase it did distract the dog.. JMO efs Edited June 25, 2007 by ReXy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weisnjac Posted June 25, 2007 Author Share Posted June 25, 2007 I know who it was, he wasn't judging on the day. Nice bloke who was just pointing out that I may get into trouble if I continue to stand outside the ring while Millie's in the ring. I'm actually glad he said something, I would have kept doing it Millie doesn't usually care if I am outside the ring or not, she concentrates on what she is doing and on mum. (well...most of the time ) Mum's judge didn't say anything. I have learnt a lesson and will keep my distance from now on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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