luka Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 Hi My family and I will be picking up our new puppy in three weeks, and the breeder has given instructions for us not to let the puppy on the furniture, couch / bed etc as this will give the puppy the wrong idea of its place. (We have found an extended obedience school, but as we cannot take along our puppy until he will be a bit older, I thought we could ask here ) My question if we invite the puppy up on the couch etc, won't the puppy know the difference? ie: the puppy will know that we are 'letting' him share the couch - and not that the puppy is equal to or above us in the hierachy? THankyou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monah Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 Hi My family and I will be picking up our new puppy in three weeks, and the breeder has given instructions for us not to let the puppy on the furniture, couch / bed etc as this will give the puppy the wrong idea of its place. (We have found an extended obedience school, but as we cannot take along our puppy until he will be a bit older, I thought we could ask here ) My question if we invite the puppy up on the couch etc, won't the puppy know the difference? ie: the puppy will know that we are 'letting' him share the couch - and not that the puppy is equal to or above us in the hierachy? THankyou No.What breed of puppy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poodle wrangler Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 I agree. Pup will not see it that way. It sends the signal that he/she is equal to you. Pups really need you to be the leader and teach them how to behave well as part of the family. More stubborn or intelligent breeds need you to be especially clear who's the leader. Jumping on and off beds and lounges can also damage the bones of growing larger breed pups and most breeders recommend you don't let them do this. Coming on to the lounge/ bed by invitation only also involves your pup knowing how to "sit" and "wait" which could be asking a bit much initially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luka Posted June 18, 2007 Author Share Posted June 18, 2007 Hi My family and I will be picking up our new puppy in three weeks, and the breeder has given instructions for us not to let the puppy on the furniture, couch / bed etc as this will give the puppy the wrong idea of its place. (We have found an extended obedience school, but as we cannot take along our puppy until he will be a bit older, I thought we could ask here ) My question if we invite the puppy up on the couch etc, won't the puppy know the difference? ie: the puppy will know that we are 'letting' him share the couch - and not that the puppy is equal to or above us in the hierachy? THankyou No.What breed of puppy? A central asian shepherd dog we found him on Dogzonline. The puppy is not my first choice but the breeder said that even if the pup that I wanted was not sold they still would not offer him to our family as he would not be suitable. But if a puppy is how you raise it and we did everythig right, why would that be? Our last dog was a rottweiler and the breeder never mentioned anything about furniture . Thankyou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luka Posted June 18, 2007 Author Share Posted June 18, 2007 I agree. Pup will not see it that way. It sends the signal that he/she is equal to you. Pups really need you to be the leader and teach them how to behave well as part of the family. More stubborn or intelligent breeds need you to be especially clear who's the leader. Jumping on and off beds and lounges can also damage the bones of growing larger breed pups and most breeders recommend you don't let them do this. Coming on to the lounge/ bed by invitation only also involves your pup knowing how to "sit" and "wait" which could be asking a bit much initially. Great help thankyou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poodle wrangler Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 From Wikipedia: .... they're working dogs. Whether their job is livestock herding, flock guarding, hunting, or protecting property, the dogs under this name are the main progenitors of all working breeds.Massive and powerful, this breed is best suited for experienced individuals willing to work on the dog's broad socialization skills from an early age. The Central Asians make excellent guard dogs as well as companions for people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoL Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 My opinion is that with any breed of dog, the rules you want them to follow as an adult you must set in concrete as a pup. So no begging from the table means NEVER, not sometimes yes. Not only will your pup think itself equal if you allow it on the bed/furniture (especially at such a young age) but from thereon it will not be able to tell the difference between when it is allowed up to when it is not allowed up - if that makes sense! Your puppy is going to grow into quite a sizeable and willful dog. If you don't play leader now, you may have troubles later on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First Time Puppy Owner Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 Hi Luka Wondering where you live? Just a suggest - there is an excellent puppy preschool program Franchised by a the writer of Dog Whisperer called Dogtech and it really helped me with understanding what you need to do to let you puppy understand where he/she stands in the family. Its around $80 for a four week course - IMO it was brilliant, puppies get to run a muck while the owners are trained So many helpful tips, re your concern as well as toileting, teething etc. Additionally as they are in a sterile environment - you and puppy can go from 8 wks on as all the pups are similar in age and have all at least had their first vacc, so socialisation also is sorted by the time you start your obidence schooling. http://www.dogtech.com.au/puppy-school.html Hope that helps - good luck with your new baby! Susan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tryamartimmy Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 Hi Luca, I totally agree with what has already been said in this thread's replies. I only recently purchased a Chihuahua puppy and let me tell you, she's strong willed and desperately wanted to be the leader of my pack. It's taken about four weeks for her to understand that she has to wait and sit nicely if she's going to get any sort of a reward. I use cuddle time on the couch, treats, games etc to reward her good behaviour. The couch is by INVITE ONLY. If she forgets her place, or starts demanding to be let up, she gets completely ignored. You may think it's cruel at first, but the results are well worth it. The dog will have respect for you and you'll have piece of mind! Hope this helps you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peibe Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 You are new to the breed and the breeder is not, they are just trying to tell you about a breed they know well and help you make a well adjusted adult dog Follow their advise and you will be rewarded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luka Posted June 19, 2007 Author Share Posted June 19, 2007 (edited) Hi LukaWondering where you live? Just a suggest - there is an excellent puppy preschool program Franchised by a the writer of Dog Whisperer called Dogtech and it really helped me with understanding what you need to do to let you puppy understand where he/she stands in the family. Its around $80 for a four week course - IMO it was brilliant, puppies get to run a muck while the owners are trained So many helpful tips, re your concern as well as toileting, teething etc. Additionally as they are in a sterile environment - you and puppy can go from 8 wks on as all the pups are similar in age and have all at least had their first vacc, so socialisation also is sorted by the time you start your obidence schooling. http://www.dogtech.com.au/puppy-school.html Hope that helps - good luck with your new baby! Susan We are in Victroria thankyou for the link, maybe there will be a similar puppy preschool program near us in Vic? We are going to go to Southern Obedience dog training. Edited June 19, 2007 by luka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luka Posted June 19, 2007 Author Share Posted June 19, 2007 You are new to the breed and the breeder is not, they are just trying to tell you about a breed they know well and help you make a well adjusted adult dogFollow their advise and you will be rewarded Yes thankyou. The whole family met one of their dogs out and that is why we decided to wait for a puppy. Although the breeder said that without the training and socialisation the dog temperament would not have impressed me at all. We would like our one to grow up like that, be well behaved and good outside meeting people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luka Posted June 19, 2007 Author Share Posted June 19, 2007 Hi Luca,I totally agree with what has already been said in this thread's replies. I only recently purchased a Chihuahua puppy and let me tell you, she's strong willed and desperately wanted to be the leader of my pack. It's taken about four weeks for her to understand that she has to wait and sit nicely if she's going to get any sort of a reward. I use cuddle time on the couch, treats, games etc to reward her good behaviour. The couch is by INVITE ONLY. If she forgets her place, or starts demanding to be let up, she gets completely ignored. You may think it's cruel at first, but the results are well worth it. The dog will have respect for you and you'll have piece of mind! Hope this helps you. Thankyou - although we are not to let the puppy on furniture even with an invite! The breeder has given us a list of house rules to help us with the puppy. We are all learning ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 As puppies mine were not to get on the bed or any furnitue for that matter at any stage. In saying that, now they are older and know their place, they can come up when invitied, but must get off as soon as I say so without any carry on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShellyBeggs Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 MMmm......I am not going to help here but.... all my dogs, from pups have been allowed on the furniture... why? because I wanted them to! And the leadership thing has never been an issue.........even when I had the rotti. But that said......off means off, and they get off when I say so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badboyz Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 I agree with the breeder on this one. They are a dominant and large breed and need to learn thier place early. Also it is not good for puppy's growing bones to be jumping on and off furniture. So you will be doing both you and the puppy a favour by teaching him to stay on the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luka Posted June 19, 2007 Author Share Posted June 19, 2007 MMmm......I am not going to help here but....all my dogs, from pups have been allowed on the furniture... why? because I wanted them to! And the leadership thing has never been an issue.........even when I had the rotti. But that said......off means off, and they get off when I say so. I told the breeder that our rottweiler was a furniture dog but the breeder told us that the new pup was not the same, and that if we wanted to have the best start (and also because of our young son) it was best to have clear rules that everyone could stick by. We have read the suggestions and spoke to the breeder again and think it will be okay Thankyou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogsfevr Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 I think you need to forget what the Rotti did & remember this is a different breed that requires different methods.The breeder is doing all the right things .The way the dog is raised from the day it gets home is the way you mould the dog & central asians arent your normal every day breed .I suggest you ask the breeder first so you dont get confused unless there are people very offay with this type of breed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monah Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 MMmm......I am not going to help here but....all my dogs, from pups have been allowed on the furniture... why? because I wanted them to! And the leadership thing has never been an issue.........even when I had the rotti. But that said......off means off, and they get off when I say so. Hi. Yes me too. UNTIL :p I got got the viz. She was a shock for me as allowing her liberites, like I've always done with all my other dogs, turned her into a spoilt, overbearing, horrid little (big) girl! Now She has very strict rules and she's wonderful! Never had leadership issues with goldies, wolfhounds, terriers, giant schnauzers, cattle dogs or the spin! I don't think it's her breed, just her personality. Taught me a lot! I have heard/read that central a sheps are best for experienced dog people (not me) as they can be fairly overbearing (but so beautiful!) and protective, their job, and they are still extensively used for guarding in their native lands and do a great job. I'm sure there are many excellent trainers in Vic. who can help you with your pup. Would love to see pics and hear how you are going. Gorgeous dogs.!xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poochie Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 Im always scared as pups they will fall or jump off, and end up hurting themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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