Scope Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 hope you're still working on this, Erny... i have only just gotten around to writing out my submission, and i'm sending it off for a second opinion before i forward it to you... sorry for being so slack, hope i'm not too late!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted September 12, 2007 Author Share Posted September 12, 2007 No - not too late Scope and I look forward to receiving the submission. Please be sure to email it to my address as in the first post (ie not via DOL). I have recently heard back from the DPI (FOI) - estimated cost for search = $100.00. I've given them the go ahead so I expect I'll be receiving something from them soonish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Jones Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 have recently heard back from the DPI (FOI) - estimated cost for search = $100.00. I've given them the go ahead so I expect I'll be receiving something from them soonish. You are doing a excellent job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted September 12, 2007 Author Share Posted September 12, 2007 (edited) Thanks Jeff ................ but I don't really feel or think my job has started yet. I mean, the hard task is still to come. But in the interim, what I (we) need is a tonne more of written submissions (from all and any States) to my email address. Edited September 12, 2007 by Erny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 Did you get any snail mail from Qld? If not, I'll follow up on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted September 12, 2007 Author Share Posted September 12, 2007 (edited) Did you get any snail mail from Qld? No - haven't received anything via post from QLD. If not, I'll follow up on that. That would be appreciated. Thanks Rom. Edited September 12, 2007 by Erny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted October 15, 2007 Author Share Posted October 15, 2007 I've received docs via FOI and am furthering my work on this submission. One of the Dog training organisations that had input to the legislation before it was passed, was "Whylie's Working Dogs". The other was the Australian Association of Professional Dog Trainers. My question is, does anyone know who "Whylie's Working Dogs" are? I've never heard of them nor could I find anything on them via google. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Jones Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 (edited) Could it be http://www.freewebs.com/wylieborders/ I know the spelling is different but thats all I could find. ETA: the website is for a breeder I just noticed you said you were after a dog training organisation. Edited October 15, 2007 by Jeff Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted October 15, 2007 Author Share Posted October 15, 2007 (edited) Thanks for trying Jeff. Not to mention that the above link shows them as being in Queensland ??? The spelling of "Whylie's Working Dogs" is correct as given. They are referenced in "Certificate of Consultation" made by Bob Cameron, Min for Ag and gives a list of "organisations which represent industry members upon whom any appreciable burden will be imposed" and who have therefore been consulted. Only AAPDT and WWD are listed as the dog training organisations that were consulted. :D Funny how he didn't seek to consult with an organisation such as NDTF Now ..... who the heck are "Whylie's Working Dogs" ???? If they were *big enough* to be considered as a viable organisation fit for consultation in a matter where legislation is to be passed, surely they would be *big enough* to be able to be found without too much sherlock holmes style effort??? Edited October 15, 2007 by Erny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Not sure if its of any relevance or help, but Michael Tucker, the gentleman who's articles were discussed in the Vic Dogs thread is the president of the Australian Association of Professional Dog Trainers. www.dolforums.com.au/index.php?showtopic=115486 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted October 15, 2007 Author Share Posted October 15, 2007 Thanks Rom. I PM'd you asking if you happen to have a copy of that article (I had previously seen the thread, but didn't realise he is president of APDT) and if you have, whether you could provide it to me. Why I just didn't post that here, I don't know . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keshwar Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Thanks for trying Jeff. Not to mention that the above link shows them as being in Queensland ???The spelling of "Whylie's Working Dogs" is correct as given. They are referenced in "Certificate of Consultation" made by Bob Cameron, Min for Ag and gives a list of "organisations which represent industry members upon whom any appreciable burden will be imposed" and who have therefore been consulted. Only APDT and WWD are listed as the dog training organisations that were consulted. :D Funny how he didn't seek to consult with an organisation such as NDTF Now ..... who the heck are "Whylie's Working Dogs" ???? If they were *big enough* to be considered as a viable organisation fit for consultation in a matter where legislation is to be passed, surely they would be *big enough* to be able to be found without too much sherlock holmes style effort??? Strange, I just tried searching the yellow pages and the white pages for all the variations I could think of for "Whylie's Working Dogs" and only came up with two residential addresses in Victoria for Whylie. To protect the innocent I won't put the search results here. :D As you say if they are big enough to be considered representative of industry members they would show up somewhere - particularly in the white or yellow pages. Sorry I can't be of more help. Bear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted October 15, 2007 Author Share Posted October 15, 2007 Thanks for trying FaxonandBear and for adding to the list of *attempts to find*. If I can't find out who they are, I figure all I can do is make a point of mentioning in the submission that their credibility can't be established at this time. Go figure .................. why would someone such as Bob Cameron source out what presently seems to be a 'needle in a hay stack', when NDTF stood ready willing and able to be consulted at that time. Anyway - not to spend too much time on that ponderance . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Guys, I've been trying to do a business name search on Whylie's, but my old computer and shyte dial up speed are letting me down, can someone help out by trying a search at either: Asic or justice.vic.gov.au Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cazz Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 I've never tried a prong collar. One of my ex dogs constantly choked himself and tore his fur out with his collar, I tried Sam with a flat collar and he pulled so I went back to the choker/check chain. Mishka has a harness because he whines if I put a collar on him. Prong colars look just as bad for the fur if you have a longhaired dog? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted October 15, 2007 Author Share Posted October 15, 2007 (edited) I've never tried a prong collar.One of my ex dogs constantly choked himself and tore his fur out with his collar, I tried Sam with a flat collar and he pulled so I went back to the choker/check chain. Mishka has a harness because he whines if I put a collar on him. Prong colars look just as bad for the fur if you have a longhaired dog? No - actually they are not. They tend not to damage the fur anywhere near a slip collar, check chain or, again, a head-collar (which often damage the hair across the dog's muzzle, if it doesn't chaff the skin), if at all. Please don't take prong-collars for how they "look". Because they do *look* bad, many people make false assumptions. I know my reaction when I first saw one was to screw up my nose. But on closer investigation and experimentation I found my initial reaction to be unfounded. Edited October 15, 2007 by Erny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted October 15, 2007 Author Share Posted October 15, 2007 Guys, I've been trying to do a business name search on Whylie's, but my old computer and shyte dial up speed are letting me down, can someone help out by trying a search at either:Asic or justice.vic.gov.au Thanks Rom. Leave it with me. It's late now. I'll try it tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keshwar Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 (edited) Guys, I've been trying to do a business name search on Whylie's, but my old computer and shyte dial up speed are letting me down, can someone help out by trying a search at either:Asic or justice.vic.gov.au Thanks Rom. Leave it with me. It's late now. I'll try it tomorrow. Extracted from ASIC's database at AEST 07:50:37 on 16/10/2007 Name WYLIE'S WORKING DOGS - note the different spelling of Wylie. Registered state/no. VIC 1383975P Type Business Names Registration Date Unknown Next Review Date Unknown Status Business Names - Removed Principal Place of Business not available Jurisdiction Office of Fair Trading & Business Affairs,Victoria No document list available for this organisation type Partial Extract The following details were extracted from the Register at 07:49 AM 16/10/2007. Business Name WYLIE'S WORKING DOGS Business Number 1383975P Nature of Business DOG BREEDING Date Registered 26/05/1998 Date Deregistered 26/05/2004 Renewal Date 26/05/2004 Trading Suburb Trading Postcode MUMBANNAR 3304 Purchase Business Name Extract A Business Name Extract includes additional details including business contact and owner details. See Demonstration for an example Edited October 15, 2007 by FaxonandBear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted October 16, 2007 Author Share Posted October 16, 2007 Faxonand Bear Thank you so much for that. So Wylie's Working Dogs are now a deregistered business? And they were a business based in breeding, not training? Doesn't sound like much 'grunt' upon which to gleen and base opinion for the passing of a legislation. Wonder if Wylie's was a person known to Bob Cameron and/or RSPCA?? "Mates rates" type of thing. I will add the info to my submission. Thanks heaps. Erny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted October 16, 2007 Author Share Posted October 16, 2007 (edited) Also strangely enough, this "organisation" Bob Cameron consulted with (one of only two in the category of "Dog Organisations") was de-registered only TEN DAYS after the beurocratic forms in support of the ban were signed off by Bob Cameron. Could be/Maybe coincidence, but ..... From a legal perspective what constitutes an "organisation"? - Is "Pro-K9" an organisation even though it's just me??? Edited October 16, 2007 by Erny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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