Dribbling Stands

[JulesP]

Brock's sits and drops are nice and crisp but he really dribbles into his stands. He actually walks through the hand giving the signal sometimes. Any ideas??

He has issues with stands as it is, looks like I am trying to kill him when I ask for one so need fairly gentle hints!

[sas]

He's stressed? He doesn't understand what you want? Maybe go back to basics with the stand in baby steps and make a very positive experience?

[BC]

Yep, mine creeps or wanders when he does not fully understand what I want or is stressed over something.

As sas said, start again, and even try different hand signals maybe. All of my signals are with my left hand so I'm not twisting my body and its right in my dogs vision. My dog is also more comfortable with this too.

Edited June 17, 2007 by BC Lover

[ness]

Have you taught a kickback stand???

[boxagirl]

Whats a kickback stand?

Bondis stands need work, they are definately not straight!

[ness]

Hmm I will have a look for a better explanation but this is all I can find tonight.

"Most of the people I know who teach this use a lure dropped very quicly from nose to sternum of dog--the dog's head moving down tightly to the chest usually causes the dog to raise his rear and stand. With puppies, Marion Erp taught me to use a food dish with the puppy in a sit or down, and slide it rapidly to the chest, and sure enough, it works great!"

ETA another explanation:

" The kick-back stand involves the dog rising to a standing position by moving her back legs, but not her front legs. To introduce the kick-back stand, I lured Lacy into the stand with a treat in my right hand, with my left hand blocking any forward motion. This appeared to be the difficult part for her - and something that frustrated her. If I wanted her to move her head forward, why was I blocking her from moving her body? Anyway, because I was able to lure her into this position, I quickly added the verbal command, "stand." I reduced the amount of blocking I was doing as quickly as I could, reducing the frustration level. We worked on this for just a few minutes each day, and now she is doing a kick-back stand with the verbal command, and the frustration and confusion are gone. It is important for her to do a kick-back stand because she will need it for the novice stand for examination and other exercises. If she were to move forward into a stand, it would encourage forward motion, which is undesirable."

Edited June 17, 2007 by ness

[boxagirl]

Makes sense, Thanks

[ness]

And I am sure CTD won't mind me posting the video links of the wonderful Mose completing a kick back stand.

[JulesP]

Yes he does a kickback stand. He completely knows what stand is. The problem is standing whilst heeling and the fact that the stands just look a bit sloppy because is takes him a couple of steps to stop and he is a bit too far in front when he does stop. I am looking at it as a tidy up for trialling.

[leopuppy04]

Yes he does a kickback stand. He completely knows what stand is. The problem is standing whilst heeling and the fact that the stands just look a bit sloppy because is takes him a couple of steps to stop and he is a bit too far in front when he does stop. I am looking at it as a tidy up for trialling.

Can you C&T him for a nice clean stand - go right back to basics - only treat him when he pops up immediately. also - make them more fun - get out that mousie and reward with that every time he does a nice stand?

[Arya]

Im with LP on this. Click treat or marker word and treat for a good stand every time. Go back to basics. Also, see if you are subtly changing your voice in a negative way on the stands as you may be accidentally doing so cos you are trying to get him to do it straight and concerned that he isn't. I'm guilty of this at times. Then it rocks over into the stand for exam. I am working on stand for exam issues at the moment (why???? they were fine before... sigh). Back to basics with lots of treats all over the place, before I leave the dog, when I'm doing it, when I return. Doing them myself. Hey, it's made a good difference and those paws are staying in the right place so it might help your dog like them more. on regular stands have a look at your hand signal and see if it is coming down from above in a way that the dog is being bothered by it. I caught myself doing this. Wondered why the dog was turning her head away and standing crooked and that was it.

[Keshwar]

Yes he does a kickback stand. He completely knows what stand is. The problem is standing whilst heeling and the fact that the stands just look a bit sloppy because is takes him a couple of steps to stop and he is a bit too far in front when he does stop. I am looking at it as a tidy up for trialling.

This is just a thought based on this comment. When you stop for the stand are you stopping as soon as the judge says "Stand"? Or are you stopping as soon as you give the cue/signal? Remember in a trial situation you can take a couple of steps before you stop. So when you give the "Stand" cue you can still take a step or two giving your dog a chance to actually stop.

I'm suggesting this because I used to have a similar problem. Because I was stressed in the ring as soon as the judge said "Stand" I'd stop dead in my tracks and Faxon would carry on a few steps before doing the stand. I've learned to slow down, give the cue then taking 2 -3 steps before stopping after the judge says "Stand". This gets Faxon nicely positioned when he is behaving.

Bear.

[JulesP]

I think I take 1 step after giving the signal, same as I do for drop. But he is still ending up in front of me. I'll try and walk 2 steps and see if he actually stops of not. It is a stop really, isn't it, rather than a stand, lol. Last border stopped so damn quick I used to go past her!