noneybur Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 This might silence all those people who insist that a working kelpie shouldn't have been a prize at the Casterton Kelpie Muster over the long weekend. The winner of Wandie the working kelpie was a Michael Allen of Mundubberra (on the map west of Maryborough). Quote "He was apparently overcome at his win as he recently lost a well loved dog." There was over 12,000 entries and I was one of them. I am sure he has gone to a good home. I am sure that if the Dog didn't work out that Joe Spicer the breeder would take him back as well. Joe got the top price for one of his kelpies at auction fetching $5200.00. Go the working kelpies and border collies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonymc Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 Noneybur,great result!!!!! Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MolassesLass Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 This might silence all those people who insist that a working kelpie shouldn't have been a prize at the Casterton Kelpie Muster over the long weekend. Ah no, it doesn't. That simply shows you have no idea what the objections were about. It doesn't matter squat that this time the dog *appears* to have gone to a suitable home (how are you "sure he has gone to a good home", do you know the winner personally?) nor that the person who won it recently lost a dog. The fact is, a live creature was a raffle prize where any unsuitable person could have won it. And if they didn't want to give it back to the breeder, unless they were RSPCA reportable, there's nothing the breeder could do about it. Just how pleased would you have been if the dog went to someone who intended to use the dog for eating? Or to the suburban family with no yard who just wanted a free dog (who insisted on keeping said dog miserable in their yard because it's their prize)? It had nothing to do with the dog being a working kelpie and no one ever said that there's no chance it will work out for the best. The problem is there are many many chances it can work out badly. So I repeat: The breeder and everyone else involved should be bloody ashamed of themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarmons Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 (edited) Molasseslass: Come off it... Have you ever attended the Casterton Kelpie Muster? It is not a Charity Auction for the once a year RM/Thomas Cook junkies to get themselves in the social pages of the local papers and women's magazines. It is a celebration of the Working Kelpie with the emphasis on 'working'. How dare you imply that the raffle was something any empty-headed fool would organise just to raise some cash. Do you think for one minute that one of Australia's top working Kelpie Kennels would put up one of their highly prized and sought-after dogs as a prize if there was any chance of the dog ending up being eaten or tied up in a back yard? To offer a working kelpie as a raffle happens at the Kelpie Muster. These guys are serious sheep/cattle owners who rely on their dogs. They respect the attributes and traits of well-bred working kelpie and to be given the opportunity to get one from top kennels is something they appreciate. Believe me, Mick Allen will look after that dog and appreciate what he has been given. The dog will be worked. How dare you imply otherwise and pass judgment on someone you don't even know! Keep your eyes out folks for Wandi - at the working trials not the local Restaurant or in the local pound. Edited June 14, 2007 by Tarmons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MolassesLass Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 Come off it... Have you ever attended the Casterton Kelpie Muster? No, yet I knew about and could quite easily have entered the raffle by buying one of the magazines mentioned. How dare you imply that the raffle was something any empty-headed fool would organise just to raise some cash. I didn't. Do you think for one minute that one of Australia's top working Kelpie Kennels would put up one of their highly prized and sought-after dogs as a prize if there was any chance of the dog ending up being eaten or tied up in a back yard? I have no idea if this person is "one of Australia's top working Kelpie Kennels" but if they are then they already have. To offer a working kelpie as a raffle happens at the Kelpie Muster. These guys are serious sheep/cattle owners who rely on their dogs. They respect the attributes and traits of well-bred working kelpie and to be given the opportunity to get one from top kennels is something they appreciate. What were the entry requirements other than filling out the form available in the magazines? What was the method used to check each entrant's suitability to owning a dog and owning this dog? Believe me, Mick Allen will look after that dog and appreciate what he has been given. The dog will be worked. How dare you imply otherwise and pass judgment on someone you don't even know! I have neither implied the dog won't be worked nor have I passed judgement on the winner. Go have a bex and a lie down to see if the hysteria passes then try actually reading my post before replying again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noneybur Posted June 14, 2007 Author Share Posted June 14, 2007 Well said Tarmons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonymc Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 Molasses,you should be bloody ashamed of your know all,ignorant,assuming,moronicly stupid Post!!!!One of the most idiotic Posts I have seen on this Site!!!! Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MolassesLass Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 (edited) Really?! So do you have some intelligent words on why my post is all those things or have you, like Tarmons and noneybur read what you think is there instead of what is actually there. I'm quite happy to withdraw my concerns over the raffle if it can be shown that something was done to guarantee that every entrant was suitable for the dog in question. But I can only assume from the lack of interest in answering the questions that there was nothing. As above: What were the entry requirements other than filling out the form available in the magazines? What was the method used to check each entrant's suitability to owning a dog and owning this dog? Edited June 14, 2007 by molasseslass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superminty Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 So I repeat: The breeder and everyone else involved should be bloody ashamed of themselves. Why bother? You made your views perfectly clear the first time around. *yawn* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MolassesLass Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 Why bother? Because I was invited to. This might silence all those people who insist that a working kelpie shouldn't have been a prize at the Casterton Kelpie Muster over the long weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsD Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 Im not getting into this debate, but just wanted to say hi noneybur, was nice to meet you on the weekend . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noneybur Posted June 14, 2007 Author Share Posted June 14, 2007 Hi Mrs D, likewise. Will see you at the next herding trial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J... Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 (edited) Well said Tarmons, and Thanks Noneybur for letting us know where the dog ended up - sounds like a great result! Edited June 14, 2007 by feralpup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lablover Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 Why bother? Because I was invited to. This might silence all those people who insist that a working kelpie shouldn't have been a prize at the Casterton Kelpie Muster over the long weekend. ML, I happened upon this thread and agree with you. There is no way, even at a retrieving trial where I know everyone, I would offer a puppy as a prize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOE Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 Animals should never be offered as prizes for anything as was said it could have ended up in a suburban back yard. I am glad it went to a farm. It is similar to entering to win the horse each year in the country life, what on earth would happen if a horse ended up being won by Joe Bloggs that lives in the city of Sydney. You would be surprised at the number of Country Life papers that are purchased by normal working city folk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelpiechick Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 So happy to hear that the kelpie appears to have gone to a terrific home ! (Thank you for posting that) This time there has been a good outcome but the word 'raffle' is the key - total chance as to where that kelpie could have ended up. (another reason why I'm also not a huge fan of the auction - does anyone else know the story of what happened to the dog that went for the highest money a few years ago???? ) I was at Casterton this year as I have been for the last few, and just because you attend a kelpie festival (or buy a particular magazine I believe) doesn't make you a suitable kelpie owner. I went with a friend who knows nothing about kelpies whatsoever and has a very small suburban backyard- what was to stop him buying a ticket ? Correct me if I am wrong (as I am sure someone will) but I don't believe there were any stipulations as to who was eligible to buy a raffle ticket ? To assume that only a suitable owner would be interested in buying a ticket is pretty naive. Totally agree that dogs should not be offered as a raffle prize, whether working or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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