morphjk Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 My little Labrador puppy who is only 6 months has developed Arthritis and has just started Cartrophen injections. After the first injection I really noticed a difference the next day and for a day or two after. Well he had his second injection on Tuesday and I thought that I would see an improvement the next day but I didn't and I haven't really seen a difference at all this week so now I am starting to think that the injections may not work. Though I was told that I probably wouldn't see an improvement till the third injection. The little guy is really sore and I am concerned about giving him a good quality of life. He has real trouble moving around and he has also been diagnosed with OCD. I have put him on Joint Guard as well but he has only been on this since the first injection so that has been just over a week now. I don't know what else to do and I just want to make him better. 6 months isn't very old to have arthritis, especially if he has a long life ahead of him. I have read a few other threads and it seems that Cartrophen doesn't always work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CavsRcute Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 My Cavalier has HD and arthritis. I have given her the Cartophen shots and found she was good after the first one, no improvement after the 2nd and 3rd, but good again after the 4th. There is also a capsule called Sylvet, which is given once a week and has almost the same effect as the Cartrophen injections. My dog has a Traumeel tablet once a day, which is a homeopathic anti-inflammatory, acupuncture once a month and trigger point therapy and chiropractic treatment every 3 months. When we first started the acupuncture it was up and down for about 6 weeks but now really helps her. We also saw a cainine physio and do exercises every day. Just curious...how was the OCD diagnosed? Through x-ray. My girl was limping for months on her front left leg with all sorts of diagnosis, including OCD, but she had very tight trigger points. Once these were worked on, no more limping. Good luck with your puppy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morphjk Posted June 8, 2007 Author Share Posted June 8, 2007 When we first started the acupuncture it was up and down for about 6 weeks but now really helps her.We also saw a cainine physio and do exercises every day. I don't think there is anyone in Hobart that does acupuncture. Well not that I am aware of anyway. Just curious...how was the OCD diagnosed? Through x-ray. My girl was limping for months on her front left leg with all sorts of diagnosis, including OCD, but she had very tight trigger points. Once these were worked on, no more limping.Good luck with your puppy Yeah through x-ray. Even saw a specialist (Sara Goldsmid) when she was in Hobart the other week and she offered an operation but it was $1500 with no guarantee that it would make any difference for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowanbree Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 OK, I only have a very vague recollection about OCD but isn’t it diet related, too much protein and the dog growing too fast? Can’t it be corrected with a diet change and limiting all exercise if you catch it early enough. I would change the heading to OCD and get some of the large dog breeders in here that know all about OCD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morphjk Posted June 8, 2007 Author Share Posted June 8, 2007 OK, I only have a very vague recollection about OCD but isn’t it diet related, too much protein and the dog growing too fast? Can’t it be corrected with a diet change and limiting all exercise if you catch it early enough. I would change the heading to OCD and get some of the large dog breeders in here that know all about OCD. No it isn't. It is one of these things which is an unknown on what can cause it. There are many different theories. And once they have it, it doesn't go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glorybea Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 Hi I have a malt/shutz who is on cartrophen it has done marvels for her ,she had the 4 needles and then one every 6mths which I always make sure one is before the cold in the ground gets to her and there is no limping at all she has an enlarged bone in one leg because one bone has grown qiucker than the other . I do give her glucosamine complex and Shasa blend and also fish oil tablets . when she started on tablets I took her to an indoor swimming pool for excises as well she is now 3 1/2 yrs I do keep a look out on her weight as well . good luck on your progress Glorybea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CavsRcute Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 We have also seen Sara Goldsmid, who I think is very good. so I would be guided by what she says. Listed on one of the sites I have, is North Hobart Veterinary Hospital, 273 Elizabeth St and they list that they have acupuncture and complementary medicine. It might be worth a phone call Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morphjk Posted June 8, 2007 Author Share Posted June 8, 2007 We have also seen Sara Goldsmid, who I think is very good. so I would be guided by what she says.Listed on one of the sites I have, is North Hobart Veterinary Hospital, 273 Elizabeth St and they list that they have acupuncture and complementary medicine. It might be worth a phone call I did think she was good. But she couldn't give me any guarantees that it would work and research is 50 / 50. North Hobart Veterinary Hospital is where I took him to see her. Will have to ring them about the acupuncture then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CavsRcute Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 (edited) We have also seen Sara Goldsmid, who I think is very good. so I would be guided by what she says. Listed on one of the sites I have, is North Hobart Veterinary Hospital, 273 Elizabeth St and they list that they have acupuncture and complementary medicine. It might be worth a phone call I did think she was good. But she couldn't give me any guarantees that it would work and research is 50 / 50. North Hobart Veterinary Hospital is where I took him to see her. Will have to ring them about the acupuncture then. Oops... I was trying to download a photo of my dog asleep, while having acupuncture but didn't work Edited June 8, 2007 by CavsRcute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morphjk Posted June 8, 2007 Author Share Posted June 8, 2007 Found one vet that does do acupuncture in Hobart - Sandy Bay Holistic Veterinary Centre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shekhina Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 How terrible, poor puppy Are they sure it's arthritis and not HD? Is the puppy from a registered breeder? If so, have you let them know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morphjk Posted June 8, 2007 Author Share Posted June 8, 2007 How terrible, poor puppy Are they sure it's arthritis and not HD? Is the puppy from a registered breeder? If so, have you let them know? Yeah they are sure. I have a very good vet and he is 100% sure. Yes he is from a registered breeder and I have let them know as we always keep in touch and she just can't believe it as this is the first puppy of hers that it has happened too. She has been great and came with me to see the specialist. She is paying for the treatment (up to a certain amount). She offered to replace him for me but I don't want to get rid of him because he is awesome. He was actually one of her show dogs. We had agreed to let her show him as he was show quality and he even one best of breed (baby) and best in group in his first show. She is glad that we took him as she knows how much I love my dogs and that putting him down would be a last resort (i.e. that we couldn't get it so that he could have a good quality of life and was always in pain). So yeah she knows. We also have had other dogs from her (have another 1 year old Labrador from another litter from her now) before. Very good breeder and the vet said that it wasn't her fault and that she had done every thing she could to breed quality and that these things can still happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shekhina Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 Sounds like she has been wonderful and has done everything she can. What a very sad situation I hope that you're able to find something that helps. My father's dog is on the injections for her arthritis, she is quite elderly though. Some times they help her more than others, she has them each winter now. I know they also tried Sasha's blend at some stage too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavNrott Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 (edited) . Edited June 8, 2009 by cavNrott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morphjk Posted June 8, 2007 Author Share Posted June 8, 2007 How much does acupuncture ruffly cost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witheverythingiam Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 Sylvet Capsules from the vet - same as Cartrophen - both Pentosan Polysulfate. Both need to be kept refridgerated until used. Sylvet is just a convenience thing - ie no need to go back to vet each week/fortnight/month and pay a consult/revisit fee. And only need to pay 1 dispensing fee. Both see the same effect really. My Lab is on Cartophen Injections/Sylvet, and does well. I think I get 3 capsules for each month for my Lab, or just over 1ml of cartrophen - she's around 35KG just so you know cost wise how much you're looking at? -WithEverythingIAm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CavsRcute Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 (edited) How much does acupuncture ruffly cost? I found the cost varies. The first vet I went to was $68.00 per session and the one that I use now was only $38.00 and she stays with us for the whole 1/2hour. Edited June 8, 2007 by CavsRcute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CavsRcute Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 There is also a capsule called Sylvet, which is given once a week and has almost the same effect as the Cartrophen injections. My dog has a Traumeel tablet once a day, which is a homeopathic anti-inflammatory, acupuncture once a month and trigger point therapy and chiropractic treatment every 3 months. When we first started the acupuncture it was up and down for about 6 weeks but now really helps her. Do you need to get the Sylvet Capsules from the vet? Also do you get the Traumeel from St. Ives. I use Traumeel cream but I suspect the tablets might be more effective. I would be very interested if you would educate me with these two product. Thanks. I get the Sylvet tablets from the vet and she also gets my Traumeel tablets for me too. I have tried health food stores and they don't seem to stock them. I think she goes direct to a supplier in Melbourne. Is it The Yoga Room, at St Ives that you get your Traumeel from? I go to see an osteopath there and she offerred me the tablets but I share the dogs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centitout Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 OK, I only have a very vague recollection about OCD but isn’t it diet related, too much protein and the dog growing too fast? Can’t it be corrected with a diet change and limiting all exercise if you catch it early enough. I would change the heading to OCD and get some of the large dog breeders in here that know all about OCD. it is largely diet related,i worked with thoroughbred yearlings on a big stud where the feed(high protein)was pumped into them from an early age.they had a lot of weanlings with it.same with dogs,they should be kept lean with puppies sometimes having to change onto a adult biscuit to slow growth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowanbree Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 OK, I only have a very vague recollection about OCD but isn’t it diet related, too much protein and the dog growing too fast? Can’t it be corrected with a diet change and limiting all exercise if you catch it early enough. I would change the heading to OCD and get some of the large dog breeders in here that know all about OCD. it is largely diet related,i worked with thoroughbred yearlings on a big stud where the feed(high protein)was pumped into them from an early age.they had a lot of weanlings with it.same with dogs,they should be kept lean with puppies sometimes having to change onto a adult biscuit to slow growth. I thought so. My friend who has a wolfhound had it with one of hers and she had to change to adult food, cut his weight a lot and limit exercise to toilet breaks only on lead and he came mostly right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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