Disobedience

[leopuppy04]

Lol Leo maybe you are talking to the already converted here??? I doubt that too many of us on here would just think the dog was being a shit deliberately and give it a biffo!

LOL - yep - talking to the wrong crowd !!!!

[JulesP]

Just cause I am stalking you!

[Sayreovi]

So would a dog be called disobedient if they were doing an exercise they knew perfectly, stopped mid way ran off did a pee came back and completed said exercise?

Dog had already been toileted (several times) and the last few times nothing came out. This was a major training issue where he would ran off course do a wee and come back straight after regardless of how much i toiletted him. He was not confused in the above example and loves doing it.

Would this be disobedience? I am trying to understand the mindset of my dog who i personally think is a royal pain

[leopuppy04]

So would a dog be called disobedient if they were doing an exercise they knew perfectly, stopped mid way ran off did a pee came back and completed said exercise?

Dog had already been toileted (several times) and the last few times nothing came out. This was a major training issue where he would ran off course do a wee and come back straight after regardless of how much i toiletted him. He was not confused in the above example and loves doing it.

Would this be disobedience? I am trying to understand the mindset of my dog who i personally think is a royal pain

Hmm... it could be - or he could be stressed? There are so many factors that could affect it

[Sayreovi]

Definately not stressed.

Ive tried to come up with answers but always come back to the same conclusion.....he is just a pain

[Cosmolo]

Lp, let me try and answer your questions..

If you give a dog a correction and the dog truly does not know the exercise, its highly unlikely that the dog will comply. It would be like if i walked up to Cosmo, said "Carrot" (wanting her to stand) and then corrected her- she wouldn't respond with a stand and would likely try something that she does know- a sit or drop for instance. If however she did understand the command but did not comply, a correction should result in compliance and the offering of a stand.

Disobedience is not when you change a command or signal and produce one that the dog has never seen before. New picture, new exercise.

When my dog is in prey drive i don't believe that they cannot hear me, i believe that their ability to hear me is impaired. If they absoultely could not hear me, i would not be able to call my dog off something when they are not facing me and in full drive. The dog can hear you IMO but has decreased sensitivity to your voice and as a result, chooses to continue chasing. This to me is disobedience when it is a known command and i have set up and trained the situation successfuly before.

I agree with you that the dog doesn't plan on being disobedient. I tell my clients that the dog has more of an attitude of 'what happens if i do this'.. unless they are carrying out an instinctual behaviour in which case they know the outcome will be appetitive.

Disobedience to me is non compliance with a known command in a situation that the dog has encountered before.

tollersowned- if you had ruled out stress and confusion- possible displacement behaviour, then yes i would consider that disobedience.

[ShellyBeggs]

This thread is great............and I don't have much to add to the experts here but wanted to ask something!

My lab is very old but is very well trained, every now and then if I tell him to sit (I use signals too incase he doesn't hear) he will just get up and walk away like I had not said or done a thing.

Should I correct him or just assume that it his hearing/sight or possible dementia??? (All of which the vet claims he has.)

:D

And if it isn't disobedience why then can he do exactly as I tell him (and in a whisper I checked) if he knows I have treats???

He will sit, drop, sit, shake and a myriad of tricks asked for in a whisper with no visual clues if I have cheese.

[leopuppy04]

This thread is great............and I don't have much to add to the experts here but wanted to ask something!

My lab is very old but is very well trained, every now and then if I tell him to sit (I use signals too incase he doesn't hear) he will just get up and walk away like I had not said or done a thing.

Should I correct him or just assume that it his hearing/sight or possible dementia??? (All of which the vet claims he has.)

:D

Nope - in my eyes - this *is* disobedience. Prevent him from walking away and 'make' him perform the task.... also - hide the fact of whether or not you have treats on you ;).....

IMO - he has just figured out he doesn't have to do what you ask him - and chooses not to - as the reward isn't there