Steve K9Pro Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 K9: "special" can mean a whole lot of things... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 Gawd LP I like being fluffy on this forum.... If someone has an only dog and goes to work then yes I think that they are doing the wrong thing by the dog. I have no problem with people saying that they keep the dogs seperate if it is for the dog's benefit. But it seems that people are doing it for their own ambitions - to get a better competition dog. I don't like that. Doesn't mean I am going to dob you into the RSPCA, the world is made up or lots of different people and I no longer care if people agree with me or not I do believe that dogs, no matter how long they have been domesticated, are still wild animals. They certainly revert to feral behaviour quickly enough when dumped. A litter of pups born wild are going to take a lot of handling to tame. No pack/herd animal likes being alone. Humans included!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopuppy04 Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 Gawd LP I like being fluffy on this forum.... If someone has an only dog and goes to work then yes I think that they are doing the wrong thing by the dog. I have no problem with people saying that they keep the dogs seperate if it is for the dog's benefit. But it seems that people are doing it for their own ambitions - to get a better competition dog. I don't like that. Doesn't mean I am going to dob you into the RSPCA, the world is made up or lots of different people and I no longer care if people agree with me or not I do believe that dogs, no matter how long they have been domesticated, are still wild animals. They certainly revert to feral behaviour quickly enough when dumped. A litter of pups born wild are going to take a lot of handling to tame. No pack/herd animal likes being alone. Humans included!! LOL - what do you mean by being fluffy? I've never heard that before! Well - in my mind I do believe I am doing it for the dogs benefit, so that the are able to cope away from each other. I don't think that simply by separating the dog you will end up with a better competition dog - there are so many other factors. Likewise - if I turned around and my dogs were together 24/7 from now on in and still continued my training, it may have a small effect, but if that is what I believed in, I wouldn't change it. I don't think that it is purely the separation that makes or breaks a top competition dog . I also do it to prevent baby puppies being hurt by big goofs. Do you feel guilty if you have to leave one of your dogs at home - ie: taking Brock out for training? How does your other dog cope? Yes, they still are 'animals' but wild no - I don't see humans as wild animals either, but leave us in the 'wild' long enough and we will also soon revert to other ways of getting our meals etc. It is all 'survival of the fittest'. as for pups born feral - whole different kettle of fish - it is about the 'social' that they lack, hence why they are hard to tame. Agreed 100% that no pack / herd animal likes to be alone full stop! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 Yes I feel guilty when I take Brock out and leave Fern at home. She does have the cats though and likes to sit with the horses too. She looks pretty damn sad! But neither dog carries on if I have to take the other away. I haven't trained for this as I don't have an issue with either of them getting upset. You think Brock is quiet you should see Fern!!! Fluffy - non argumentative! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonElite Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 I too feel guilty when I take one of the dogs out. They both get to be taken out separatelly, but I take the girl out more and always think that I would have taken Rex with me in the past on those occasions so he misses out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopuppy04 Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 Yes I feel guilty when I take Brock out and leave Fern at home. She does have the cats though and likes to sit with the horses too. She looks pretty damn sad! But neither dog carries on if I have to take the other away. I haven't trained for this as I don't have an issue with either of them getting upset. You think Brock is quiet you should see Fern!!! Fluffy - non argumentative! ah huh! well..... all's fun in a good all-round discussion I feel guilty too leaving one at home and taking the other..... but I am told that they both handle really well. At the end of the day - I doubt any of us are mistreating our dogs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonElite Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 I hate leaving one at home but I love when we come back, they are sooo happy to see each other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 It is so cute when they say hi to each other, isn't it? I nearly stayed at home today because Brock was doing the big sad eye thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonElite Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 JP I took Rex with me when I wasnt going to. I was reversing out of the driveway and he stood there with the head down all sad How could I not take him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 Sucked in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonElite Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 Not only that but he got to ride on the front seat (he loves this) this was to compensate for me even THINKING about not taking him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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whatevah Posted May 19, 2007 Author Share Posted May 19, 2007 (edited) Its good to see that everyone is being nice with this topic. I had Josh, then Moses came along. I purposely took him out without Josh, so he could have one on one time with me. People told me I was cruel. But I think it is good for dogs to learn to cope without the other being around. I don't feel guilty if I take one out without the other. I take Tia to Obedience classes, without Moses and Josh. Tia also goes to herding without Josh and Moses. Today I took Moses to an obedience club comp and came 2nd!!!!!!!!! Last week we passed class 8!!!!!!!!!!! I think that the other dog doesn't know what its missing out on. In my opinion I don't think it is fair to take say 3 dogs to obedience training, where one dog gets worked and the other 2 are cooped up in the car for hours on end. At flyball comps I see a person who is not even competing having all dogs cooped up in a crate all day. Wouldn't they be happier at home???? When I go to flyball I only take the dog that is competing. Except at Ballarat I went for the weekend I took Tia so she would get used to staying in a tent and a different place over night. Next time she will stay at home. I see this a lot. At home my dogs are all together, and have not had any problems with them not bonding to me. I also love to see my dogs playing with other dogs, and so far no problems. Today during the obedience comp I was doing slow pace with Moses and a Jack Russell came along and joined in, Moses gave it a look and then continued heeling, while the owner ran and called the dog. Everyone was impressed. I don't have any problem with people separating dogs at home, but I coulld not do it due to working full time and how are back yard is. Edited May 19, 2007 by CrashTestDummy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted May 19, 2007 Share Posted May 19, 2007 Well done to Moses and CTD on there success in obedience . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILFC Posted May 19, 2007 Share Posted May 19, 2007 Its good to see that everyone is being nice with this topic. I had Josh, then Moses came along. I purposely took him out without Josh, so he could have one on one time with me. People told me I was cruel. But I think it is good for dogs to learn to cope without the other being around. I don't feel guilty if I take one out without the other. I take Tia to Obedience classes, without Moses and Josh. Tia also goes to herding without Josh and Moses. Today I took Moses to an obedience club comp and came 2nd!!!!!!!!! Last week we passed class 8!!!!!!!!!!! I think that the other dog doesn't know what its missing out on. In my opinion I think it is cruel to take say 3 dogs to obedience training, where one dog gets worked and the other 2 are cooped up in the car. Wouldn't they be happier at home???? I see this a lot. At home my dogs are all together, and have not had any problems with them not bonding to me. I also love to see my dogs playing with other dogs, and so far no problems. Today during the obedience comp I was doing slow pace with Moses and a Jack Russell came along and joined in, Moses gave it a look and then continued heeling. Everyone was impressed. I don't have any problem with people separating dogs at home, but I coulld not do it due to working full time and how are back yard is. Hi CTD- Josh is your flat coat right? How did he go with a baby puppy- you know how they are quite boisterous in play? I was wondering how I would manage Grover? as our backyard is not suitable for separation and I'm not crating a pup all day while I'm at work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatevah Posted May 19, 2007 Author Share Posted May 19, 2007 Josh is my flatcoat and he has been with 3 puppies and was fine with all of them. But all dogs are different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huski Posted May 19, 2007 Share Posted May 19, 2007 (edited) I too feel guilty when I take one of the dogs out. They both get to be taken out separatelly, but I take the girl out more and always think that I would have taken Rex with me in the past on those occasions so he misses out. This is exactly how I feel Myszka. Most nights mum will walk the dogs with me when she gets home from work, so they go out together. However, on nights like tonight when mum can't come with me, I take Daisy out first and then Micha. I always feel terrible, especially tonight, as when I got home I was just too tired (have been at work all day) to take Micha too, and it was quite late and I didn't want to walk by myself. Tonight I feel like an awful owner I have let Mish inside though to compensate for him missing his walk I always take Daisy first as I feel safer walking in the dark with Micha than I do with my little beagle. Sometimes when we do things like go to a DOL meet or go to the farmers markets, we only take Daisy out. Micha doesn't like strange dogs much, so I won't put him in a situation like the markets where there are lots of poorly behaved dogs around or just over exuberant dogs who would get in Mish's face. Cherry stays at home 99% of the time, she can't walk the big dog walk and hate other dogs. We do other things with her to compensate though. ETA: Oops, to answer the OP question, we always keep new dogs seperated from old dogs. Micha and Daisy were seperated for more than a month when we weren't home to supervise. They could see and smell each other but couldn't interact. Number of reasons for this including Micha plays too roughly to play with Daisy unsupervised when she was so young, he can be dominant with new dogs (however when we got Daisy wasn't as bad, he got attacked after Daisy was bought home) etc Edited May 19, 2007 by husky87 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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