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yes that is what i told the stupid ninny. i tend to lose the meaning in things i want to say because i get carried away with long paras. but she still went on with sometimes cows have names too by the farmer and they all have feelings. so?????? and the buck stops with the consumer buying these dogs from the petshops in the first place, if people didn't buy meat then we wouldn't even have to have farms too. ;) so i quickly put in the buck stops with you guys not continuing to approve these large farms, don't you think if we didn't have these farms people wouldn't be going to petshop to get an ill-suited pet that eventually might be dumped????? its like hello, what planet are you from lady????? lol sometimes there is no telling a person that only sees dollar signs. in one sentence she said that she opposes dog farms in the next she said that she understands it is just animal agriculture and farming and to have emotion for the animals isn't good, so you have to remove the emotion! yes like the farmers i think they have gone through an operation to remove their brains! i read out the email to my mother and we spent the afternoon laughing our heads off at this lady councillor, my mother said that maybe this lady has cows in her bed and in her house! what a lot of crock this woman was going on with. she really sounded like she is un-educated and not really in-tune with society issues. Like the rest of them, very similar to another councillor's views too. where would you go to get a puppy if we eliminate these farms he said, people would have to go underground, how ridiculous ;) so ofcourse i spent my time explaining to him where you go for a puppy. they can't make the connection between 1500 pups produced to overpopulation in shelters. don't want to know, don't care basically. these are the attitudes we are dealing with for some reason they always answer me, im told they ignore most of the people that write to them complaining about these farms. i will never give up and neither will my mother trying to educate people down there. bit hard for me im in melbourne but my mother lives down in this area.

why were you accompanying an evil farmer? (who claims they are not evil just filling a gap in society laugh.gif they are different to the rest laugh.gif ) if it was me, i wouldn't be able to stop myself hitting them over the head. id be up for assault of a puppy farmer. laugh.gif they'd have to lock me away. icon_smile_mad.gif Because I was trying to get in with her so I could get some dogs out. Which I did. I happened to meet her one day when she was dropping off puppies. I pretended I was interested in breeding dogs and she gave me all the ins and outs, invited me to her property, etc. As a result, I managed to get quite a few adult dogs off her property. Unfortunately 3 of the rescues turned out to be pregnant, and when she found out she demanded the dogs back. Of course I refused, but that was the end of that arrangement. Thankfully I have just found out that another rescue group is now rescuing dogs from her property and they are doing so by doing the same as me. gee you are a game person do to that and i applaud you.

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it just makes you wonder who are the idiots that buy these dogs don't they read anything are they that ignorant? what do you say to a councillor who has said that cows, sheep and chooks deserve the same consideration as dogs in regards to farming them. farming dogs is no different to farming cows, sheep, pigs (who are more intelligent than dogs she says) and chooks. whats the short response to an ignorant statement like this do ya reckon? i answered her but it was long winded and i doubt whether she is going to read it all. i touched on the subject of poor quality of breeding of SWF and overcrowding and dogs aren't farm animals.

yeah tell me about it. we're spewing about it and there's not a damn thing we can do about it even though we all know the system down there sucks big time. lots of ignoramuses down there in authority. it would be about money, if the business isn't making any money whats the point of continuing. so hopefully people have woken up over there they aren't getting any sales, i heard that the largest farm in gippsland was getting bad publicity from the animal welfare groups so its working educating the public!! i wish they'd close down here but many have no idea the pups come from farms and now the new thing (walked into a petshop with puppies and pretending i was ignorant) is to say oh no we don't source our pups from farms they are wormy and full of fleas we get the pups from family breeders. Family breeders? so we have some families that are breaking the law breeding their pets that should be desexed in a shire/council area that want to make a bit of cash on the side. whats wrong with that they say. saw a shop closed down near where i live too - thank god i was so relieved. had in big letters across the front we buy puppies and kittens. thank god for the puppies and kittens!! why were you accompanying an evil farmer? (who claims they are not evil just filling a gap in society they are different to the rest :D ) if it was me, i wouldn't be able to stop myself hitting them over the head. id be up for assault of a puppy farmer. they'd have to lock me away. ;)

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i wanted to try and get doler's to help me to write to this shire to get them to take note that people aren't happy having dog farms and they are an outdated necessity. once a year i write in here to try and get the council to recognise that there are alot of people opposed to them continually approving applications for large farms. one farm and we won't say a name, had to change their name because of animal liberation Victoria giving them a bad wrap, so it is working people writing letters and complaining and getting the word out. last time the wellington shire complained of too many letters they got absolutely un-indated with them. this shire and its councillors live in another world to the public and its residents. its the only shire that openly encourages puppy farms and they end up supplying the whole country. i can remember when i lived here from almost 20 years ago thats when the DD craze first started out that they were starting to get applications and published them in the local paper for public view and comment. i personally know that the shire got heaps of objections to the puppy farms but they ignored it - whats the use of publishing it.. and i know why, how much money would they be getting from registrations and permits from these farms, the farm that had to change their name is the biggest in australia producing 1500 pups a year and growing. i heard from locals that many years ago before this large farm became the largest farm in Australia, they were meeting people on the side of the road, always used to see their advertisements in the newspapers and on safeway bulletin boards (so my mother would always take them down then they'd put them up again ) for scores of pups and there still is to this day, now they export to overseas, the majority go to melbourne petshops they say but they still have sales on the property. having seen the 7.30 report where they interviewed these people from that farm they told the reporter that they have been in this business for 50 years which is a downright lie, it has been less than us 20 years tops. he openly admitted the owner to killing the mothers when they are finished with them, he says humanely but i have reports to say its inhumanely probably a bullet to the skull. we try and home the dogs we have finished with he says. yeah right you do you liar. his dogs are sitting on sand in tin sheds in drums some of them, imagine how hot they would get in the summer and how cold it is during winter? another issue is the farmers are not following legislation set out to protect these dogs, councils are supposed to enforce the law whereby dogs have to have rests between seasons and not be mated "back-to-back" they are pretty much mating them every season without rest and no one is there to say otherwise, these farmers are getting away with murder (they are murdering the dogs too!) with no checks on their property. also they are meant to be housed in concrete housing but clearly on the 7.30 report you could see the dogs were housed on sand in large paddocks like cattle. another farm in this shire has dogs sitting on chook wire in very small cages like battery hens it was wall to wall mothers with babies. in a tin shed. owner openly admitted to getting a hammer and zonking the unwanted dogs on the head. no vets required here!! these dogs suffer but no one wants to recognise this claiming they are just like cattle, sheep and chooks but cattle, sheep and chooks have a far better life than these poor little dogs do, from day dot it is pretty much a miserable life and then they are put down when they finish producing for the farmer as we all know already. from what we can see the shire, the vets (who sing the praises of these farmers for years ) are all partnering with the dog farmers because there is a lot of money involved. so they are pretty much patting each other on the back. this is from the wellington shire website mayor of sale c/o 70 Foster St SALE 3850 Mobile: 0427 052 394 [email protected] deputy mayor Red Gum Gully", Boundary Road BRIAGOLONG 3860 Phone (H): 5145 5590 Mobile: 0408 317 308 [email protected] councillor 22 Buckley Street YARRAM 3971 Phone (H): 5182 5853 Mobile: 0429 832 657 [email protected] councillor P.O Box 124 MAFFRA 3860 Mobile: 0427 052 383 [email protected] councillor 488 Boundary Rd BRIAGOLONG 3860 Mobile: 0427 052 385 [email protected] councillor 51 Temple Street HEYFIELD 3858 Phone: (H): 5148 2493 Mobile: 0408 541 746 [email protected] councillor 25 Desailly St SALE 3850 Phone: (H): 5144 2958 Mobile: 0427 052 378 [email protected] councillor 18 Harpley Court LONGFORD 3851 Phone (H): 5149 7021 Mobile: 0458 006 486 [email protected] 4 Merrick Street STRATFORD 3862 Phone (H): 5145 6094 Mobile: 0448 031 929 [email protected] one of the councillors ran down people of the public who complained about shutting down these farms on email he pretty much described them as nutters. it got leaked to the ALV site so they printed what he said and it wasn't pretty. another councillor has denied what we are telling them as true he claims we are all lying. another lady councillor claims that dog farms can be likened to animal agriculture and livestock farms. another councillor made a mockery of the public emailing one girl and told her he thinks she is lonely why don't she go and buy a puppy to keep her company. another councillor was helping to close down a farm that was going to be built pretty close to them, but as soon as they got elected didn't bother to help anymore and shut up, (think it was because probably saw the books of how much money the shire is making!!) so they are all laughing at the public who want to see these cruel factory dog farms closed for good. apparently the public are nutters, meanwhile they are all receiving lots of money from registrations and permits from each of the dogs housed at these farms. when you have a permit you pay for the permit to keep x amount of dogs then you go ahead and pay rego for each dog. they are all ignorant these councillors they don't know what is going on in the real world and don't want to know!! they are not interested. the employee that is responsible for looking after permits and inspecting (doubles up as a traffic officer as well!!!!!) went to the RSPCA forum on puppy farms and was a guest speaker he basically told everyone that these FARMS ARE BAD, (i spose he had to say that being at a forum opposing farms!!) he then went onto explain they regularly inspect the 14 farms. upon being questioned again and asked how often do you inspect he then said again very regularly, then audit reports were brought out that were meant to be filled in after inspections and they were all blank for 5 years. yes, he explained then, we don't get time and no we don't inspect and fill out reports no. you can find out more about all this on this page, prisoners for profit there is a page dedicated to shutting down puppy farms and there is going to be a rally in Melbourne in september oscars law Email, write, phone, fax the Premier of Victoria John Brumby [email protected] 1 Treasury Place East Melbourne VIC 3002 Tel: (03) 9651 5000 Fax: (03) 9651 5054 And the Leader of the Liberal Party Ted Baillieu [email protected] Phone: (03) 9651 8512 Fax: (03) 9651 8426 Office of the Leader of the Opposition, Parliament House, Spring Street, East Melbourne 3002 premier of Victoria website on puppy farms ban puppy farms in Victoria

yep the one and only, they try and make out they are different to any other farm to the media and public. but they are one and the same. i've had 2 councillors reply to me from wellington shire now, no.1. councillor said there is a market for these pups so why not, these farmers are in the ears of the council. the 2nd one told me that dogs on farms can be compared to farming of sheep, cows and chooks. just because its a dog why do they get special treatment! cows,sheep and chooks deserve to be treated fairly too. that is true but apparently this lady has cows and sheep and chooks in her house! cows, sheep and chooks aren't bred in their thousands clogging up shelters being put down because they are past their use by date and we don't eat dogs. meanwhile she has said she is against puppy farms. so all the councillors justify having 14 farms because we have livestock farms so why not have a dog farm. why not they say. she also told me, if the consumer didn't buy these pups then there would be no need to have a farm! i said, that if the buck bloody stopped with your shire bloody continually issuing these permits wouldn't you think that that would go a long way to reducing dogs in shelters. grrrrrrrr the mentality of these people they can't see past their noses and their brains are pretty much where the money is. apparently there isn't a world outside Sale what-so-ever. i think i'll move this thread as what i've found out about these 14 farms deserves a story on its own.

thank you Sylvia for clearing that up!

I think you will find that registered ethical breeders should not, and don't want to be lumped in with Puppy farming businesses. Ethical registered breeders already do the right thing. Puppy farms and puppy factories do not. I would not like what I do, lumped in with people who raise dogs and puppies like livestock in multiple pens in sheds with absolutely no idea where they end up or who with. There needs to be legislation that deals with Puppy farms and farmers. I do not think that someone as myself should be mentioned in the same breathe as a puppy farmer. but this is just the problem in my opinion, who do we recognise as a pedigree puppy farmer? its in my experience that the people who breed to sell puppies hand over fist for profit not to improve a breed and for the breed alone, remain hidden, they are secretative about it they blend with the "hobby" breeder - they don't want anyone to know because they know its wrong??? why else would they hide it??? who would police this? do they break into their houses and check their accounts to find out if they are a puppy farmer? do they have a big sign on their heads? i think its ridiculous all it will do is penalise the breeders who are doing the right thing. puppy farmers are already doing all the stuff they have written (abn's, registered addresses etc. etc.) and they'll still be laughing all the way to the bank. JMHO

the bill wasn't going to include registered breeders and the goverment was completely by-passing us all, so the VCA set up a govt liaising area/department or whatever you want to call it to be up with all government policies and bills so we get included in on current laws being written and being in the loop. no the bill wasn't stopped but it was modified to include us. yeah it included you alright! it was modified to recognise a registered breeder and exclude a registered breeder rather from puppy farmers or people trying to sell pups for a quick buck and knowingly selling a dog with a disease. it was a while ago now a bit hazy but we were all going to be lumped in with puppy farmers or large puppy businesses. you know what went on then Steve??? surely you know what i mean??? I seem to be digging a deeper hole for myself here. im not explaining it well becasue it was a while ago now and alots happened to me since im afraid! we all wrote in and complained to the MP's when they were going to put the bill to the senate in. i think it may have only been in Victoria i can't remember, help me out??? well it looks like no one is going to help me out, but i can get the file when i go home tonight and i will tell you exactly. its like as though it didn't exist what happened but im pretty sure the reason why we were all up in arms was becuse they didn't mention registered breeders and considered them at all, they were going to lump us on in with the breeders of big puppy businesses i.e. puppy farms and backyard operations.

when you look at it, its all geared towards a business, hobby breeders don't make money but the RSPCA probably think because the pedigree dog is so much we make squillons. i don't think anyone in the RSPCA has actually gone out into the field and seen what pedigree dogs are all about. it shows in what they right about under pedigree dogs in their website, i had a debate with one of their staff who wrote to me when i wanted to use their link to puppy farms, i took the chance to inform them that their information is very negative about pedigree dogs and running down pedigree breeders. her response was that pedigree breeders are just as cruel because they cull puppies particularly the rhodesian ridgeback breeders. i said they are in the minority compared to greyhound breeders/traininers who put down dogs in their thousands when they don't make the cut in racing! what are they going to do about that and shouldn't they campaign for greyhounds to be adopted instead of put down? got no response after that. so RSPCA looked to me like they were out to get the pedigree breeders blood as well as puppy farmers because they see us as one and the same. how are they going to implement and police all of this? will it still be left up to the shires and councils, if so we know that the shires are doing a wonderful job not policing or monitoring the big big puppy farms because they tell us they have no time they have no resources. its all will restrict the little people it will not get to the big businesses, because they are already doing all that was listed, ABN numbers, addresses listed etc. etc. so it will be no skin off their noses, it will be skin off the pedigree hobby breeders nose though!!!!!!!

the bill wasn't going to include registered breeders and the goverment was completely by-passing us all, so the VCA set up a govt liaising area/department or whatever you want to call it to be up with all government policies and bills so we get included in on current laws being written and being in the loop. no the bill wasn't stopped but it was modified to include us.

you will find that they weren't going to include registered breeders until we all kicked up a stink. they were going to just put it across the board like the RSPCA are proposing now.

my defination is a breeder that breeds a litter for themselves for that showdog and for the breed to improve it not breeding a litter to sell for money. but things cost so much these days, stud fees, vaccs, microchips desexing that you have to get back that money you have spent if a dog doesn't make it in the ring. we keep most of the pups run them on until they are at least 6 months old or beyond that. we don't sell too many pups the last one was 2 years ago a 12 week old male pup. before that it was 5 years previous with a 8 week old girl puppy. so you see we don't breed for money but we breed for ourselves for that special showdog and to better our breed. if anyone has a better explanation feel free to jump in. this is just my explanation.

what about the little breeder who only breeds a litter for themselves and keeps all the pups for themselves and doesn't sell anything for 5 years straight? the last litter all the litter was kept until they were 9 months old. we often sell dogs desexed for free but cover our costs for desexing and vaccinations and microchipping. should breeders like us and there are many many, be lumped in with the puppy farmers?

i think we all need to have a united front and get them to recognise the hobby breeder, the RSPCA wrote back to me some girl and told me that they are also targetting culling of rhodesian ridgebacks pups, i responded by saying how about greyhound breeders who put down greyhounds that don't make it in racing there would be more of them being culled than ridgeback pups, ridgeback breeders are in the minority. they ignored me as usual. they don't seem to know about the hobby breeder and the ANKC as they are going on the stupid english program pedigree dogs exposed but they don't seem to know what is going on in their own backyard. i don't think anyone in RSPCA has involved themselves in the dog world but are still spouting off that we all the same as puppy farmers. a few years ago the government tried to put in place legislation about diseases and the consumer but the VCA was informed and they fought it tooth and nail and got the govt to liaise with them so we all stopped it we can do it again. we need to write to our state controlling bodies because i agree we pay enough money for them to liaise on all our behalfs. the VCA claimed they had a media section to combat all of this, so i wonder if anyone has heard and what they are going to do about it to get the RSPCA to recognise our hobby breeders and not be lumped in with all of this. many years ago they use to actually publish our addresses in the monthly gazette, does anyone remember this?????? going back in the 80's now.

What can they do about it, really? Unfortunately what the petshop is doing isn't illegal. Sure you could make complaints and sign a few petitions.. but at the end of the day, until the people at the top realize this is a major problem there is nothing to stop petshops acting in this way. Voice their opinions to the people who are linked to the 'people at the top'. There is power in numbers. If every time a DOLer made a personal comment or complaint, sent a letter to the management, made a phone call to the boss of a company or organisation...that eventual tap-tap-tapping away would make a hairline fracture, that could eventual break. Whinging, moaning and complaining here only serves to make us feel better (and I know because I've done it before here as well!) where as action gives satisfaction. Companies are simply providing for what the customer wants...how are they to know that the customer is slowly becoming more aware of issues and ethics with this sort of behaviour if no one stands up to let them know? Well of course, your points are very valid.. but what's to say these people haven't done these things already? I've been sending letters and talking to people about it for years.. it's sad that things still remain the same (although.. I think we're SLOWLY moving in the right direction?). I have no doubt the eventual 'tap-tap-tapping' will do the trick eventually but I also dont think there's anything wrong with whinging, moaning and complaining about the sale of live animals, especially puppies on a forum such as this. when we are all whinging and moaning we are telling our families, our workmates our friends and we are spreading the word.

this is from the wellington shire website mayor of sale c/o 70 Foster St SALE 3850 Mobile: 0427 052 394 [email protected] deputy mayor Red Gum Gully", Boundary Road BRIAGOLONG 3860 Phone (H): 5145 5590 Mobile: 0408 317 308 [email protected] councillor 22 Buckley Street YARRAM 3971 Phone (H): 5182 5853 Mobile: 0429 832 657 [email protected] councillor P.O Box 124 MAFFRA 3860 Mobile: 0427 052 383 [email protected] councillor 488 Boundary Rd BRIAGOLONG 3860 Mobile: 0427 052 385 [email protected] councillor 51 Temple Street HEYFIELD 3858 Phone: (H): 5148 2493 Mobile: 0408 541 746 [email protected] councillor 25 Desailly St SALE 3850 Phone: (H): 5144 2958 Mobile: 0427 052 378 [email protected] councillor 18 Harpley Court LONGFORD 3851 Phone (H): 5149 7021 Mobile: 0458 006 486 [email protected] 4 Merrick Street STRATFORD 3862 Phone (H): 5145 6094 Mobile: 0448 031 929 [email protected]

its better if we try and educate people the consumer, i usually tell anyone i can and they say i had no idea and i put them off buying a puppy in a petshop or from a farm online. its how many people you can tell and the word spreads. they reckon that slowly but surely the public are being made aware, look at the RSPCA campaign about puppy farms in melbourne, dont' know if it was anywhere else? but it had a great impact many didn't know they existed until they saw the billboards at train stations. i like to get people on here to get behind me and then bombard wellington shire with emails that they can't handle every year. i've just been emailing all the councillors there and i got two responses, one lady councillor told me do i eat eggs and drink milk? i responded by saying that pet dogs adn breeding them can't be compared to livestock. she responded again by telling me that she is dead against farms but then goes onto say that farms are just animal agriculture and what is wrong with having them like battery hens. another one wrote back they all forwarded onto the services officer at wellington shire who is a traffic officer as well as a dog ranger etc. and he told me that they check on the 14 farms that they have in wellington shire, this is an all out lie as we have a permit to house 12 showdogs (25 years we've had a permit) and not one person has ever been out to check on us adn they didn't even come out to approve the application!!!! lol the services officer/ranger admitted at the RSPCA puppy farm forum that he cannot check on all the farms and nothing has been written in their audits for 5 years, yet they sent me an email to explain to me that the farms are checked on and spot checks are done. so they are all liars!!!! one of the farms is operated by my cousin's ex wife who for years has been trying to get our chihuahuas to breed to buggery. we always use to tell her that our chihuahuas were a thousand dollars each so then she gets someone to ring us up for her to try to nab one of our dogs. down in this area we always sell our dogs desexed as its puppy farm central down here. so everyone in wellington shire from the vets to the farmers to the council are lining their pockets with money. lying cheating and telling the public untruths to get them off their backs and deter them from the real story that is going on down there. but yes i have been writing complaint letters to council for years i even had a media fight with one puppy farmer in the press about 16 years ago when i lived in this area. i know of alot of locals who are dead against these farms in our area. i spoke to another councillor that was the mayor about a year ago and i got him to re-think alot of stuff about genetics in dogs and why its not a good idea to have farms. so slowly but surely i am getting in their ears. i need all your help to bombard council once again about their farms, i found out from a good source that is right in on the action down in this area that there are 14 FARMS that council get money from. the one that is operated by my cousin's ex-wife has a farm with dogs sitting on wire and she openly admits to knocking the pups she doesn't want or dogs on the head with a hammer. mostly farmers and families of farmers so they don't think this is cruel just necessary. heard some horror stories of what they do to animals and its not pretty. saw footage of the main farm which is the biggest in australia who breeds up 1500 pups a year tehy advertise in the local paper often and recently had an open day where most people complain of the conditions the animals were kept in (because the council doesn't check but claims they do!) most dogs were on sand, in tin sheds, they invited the ALV to be there in the paper then when ALV accepted they paniced and sent them letters to keep them away it was all a ploy to get on the public's good side. links to get everyone started. help me PLEASE?????? there is power in people numbers. last time we did this the shire was complaining of too many letters. lol it puts the pressure on them and it does work it is not hopeless. stop puppy farms please scroll down to end and you will see links, Animal liberation Victoria website wellington shire councillors if i can think of any other links i will let you know.

i've always wondered how do pensioners breed a litter of pups and raise them with the cost of raising a litter? the amount of money we spend on our little dogs is not for a person on a pension or limited income really. if i wasn't working there would be no way i'd be breeding dogs full stop. i know of one pensioner lady who told me she survived on credit cards!

So high up, that their head was up the proverbial? obviously i've hit a nerve,

the person that is being questioned isn't doing the right thing believe you me and is very well known not to be doing the right thing. I didn't say anything about penalising what i said was questioned as to why and then giving the breeder the chance to explain why. i won't attempt to answer that question above and get into a debate about people doing the right thing or wrong thing and trying to determine who is doing right or wrong, as its not my area to do this its VCA area thats why they are questioning i believe. i am just conveying what our association in victoria are doing to answer the call from some of its members to curb puppy farmers within our ranks and this is "known" puppy farmers as we all know that being registered with ANKC isn't a guarantee that all registered breeders are good and doing right ofcourse, as i've been writing for years in my articles.. as i've seen for years too and really i am talking about group 1 in my area not any other breeds, i understand it is a different kettle of fish for bigger breeds as there is already a thread on what they are proposing and getting it right with what is the acceptable protocol on determining who is reputable and unreputable. it all stemmed from a friend that is so against puppy mills in this state and wants to see them banned and has come across some registered establishments that are questionable as well. won't go into details as obviously i am liable if i say anymore but there is a courtcases involved in these ones.

some people are so silly $400 for a petshop pup, did anyone tell him he is now supporting puppy farms, i usually try and shock people by giving them youtube footage of puppy farms and why it isn't a good idea to buy from a petshop, online or even supporting petshops who have animals inside. most people go "oh god i had no idea".... the RSPCA have a campaign going in Melbourne atm and puppy farm dogs are displayed on huge billboards detering people. its getting alot of publicity. also i have heard of large reg breeders who have many many litters a year in the gazette are now being questioned by the VCA as to why they are having so many litters as VCA dogsvictoria has a project going to try to address puppy farmers within our ranks. suggested by a good friend of mine in the ear of a person high up and they listened so we are very happy about this. its about time!!!!!!!!

just wanted to share the experience i had the other day with a lady who emailed me briefly enquiring about a desexed male chihuahua i had for sale. she gave me a brief run down of her life i.e. i lost my pet a few months ago and want to replace it, do you know of anywhere i could get a pomchi? I wrote back and said politely that there is no such thing as a pomchi, the correct term should be a pomeranian cross chihuahua. if you want such a cross it is better to look in shelters rather than going to a breeder of such dogs as they are either puppy farmers or backyard breeders. the lady wrote back and the email was headed LOOK LADY, she lost her previous dog a "pomchi" due to the dog being eaten by another ??? when she was out walking it. She then proceeded to hurl profanities at me and insult my dog and say that my dog i have for sale must be an ASS of a dog because he has an ASS of an owner and i was to get my dog and my head and to shove it clean up my own ASS. i assumed she was trying to tell me that i need to shove my dog and my head up my donkey the conversation degenerated from here just slightly as i politely wrote back again, and told her she was a very rude person with no manners. so then i got a response to say that i am dumb and where do i get off telling people things and that if i keep on going she is going to send some cops to my door, meanwhile she has given me her name, phone number, where she lives and works. then she dared me to ring her up, so i rang her up and she wouldn't answer her phone (i wonder why!) i found out she was from USA (Living in Victoria) thats why she misspelt the word ASS...... so in the end because she was so agressive i had to block her out but i got a lecture from my most of friends saying that i should have blocked her out as soon as i got an email headed "LOOK LADY".... hmmmmmmmm some people the world is full of people that can't be told anything and get offended if you correct them politely! I can understand now why some breeders don't answer most emails and stupid people that seem to be know-it-alls. if they say something ignorant like where can i get a bloody Pomchi, breeders don't bother just put it in the delete folder. ETA: i asked this lady (well hardly a lady!) if she is from america?? and now because i asked this harmless question about her nationality where she was from, i am apparently a BIGOT as well as trying to shove my dog and my head clean up my own ASS. hmmmmmmm