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Thanks heaps for that! The dates are 3rd and 4th September

Can anyone give me the breakdown of Group numbers for these shows and total entries please? TIA

What an absolute tragedy for that darling little girl and her family who were sadly already traumatised. While I know there are many great pets from this breed and crosses from them there are just as many "aggressive" dogs of these breeds and I really do think that alot of it has to do with the "type" of person attracted to owning these dogs (and not the actual dogs) especially if they like the "tough guy" image that these dogs are often used to portray. I've met many of the young male type owners; they like to have a tough dog as a projection of their own masulinity and they do not neuter the dog as it adversely affects the "tough guy" image. They are not familiar with dog behaviour and training etc. I'm sure there are many who are but the ones I have met are not. The often times "novice" owners dont understand dog behaviour or correct training and socialising. I've seen it myself many many many times. At Puppy socialisation classes there are always at least 1 or 2 of these dogs & their owners BUT the owners are unfamiliar with proper dog training and never correctly identify the breed type. They usually portray them as some other breed (many times Staffordshires) and tell the organiser of the classes that they are a cross of this breed when they clearly are not. They know that if they tell the correct breed name that they probably wont be able to take them to socialising classes or they will be shunned by the other puppy owners which would just exacerbate the problem further. Many of these pups are friendly and outgoing but some of them are not but with correct training from dog savvy people would make great pets but alas they are owned by totally clueless people and once they start having problems instead of getting some one on one professional training hide the dogs in the backyard away from people which then creates a serious vicious cycle. Who knows the full story of how the incident occurred and it may have been a series of very unfortunate events or maybe the owner knew the dog had a problem and thats why it was kept behind very high fences and never seen by the neighbours & accidentally escaped? I really dont know what the answer is but I feel sick to the stomach for this poor little girl and her family and friends. RIP little girl

A $13 entry should cover their fee & if their fee is too much then the committee should make the decision not to pay them for doing it and take up the slack as we did when I was on committee's. 10 + years of donated time etc etc etc like alot of people here I'm sure. Agree with this. If all shows had the cheaper group catalogues available I would buy them which I do when they have them but not all shows have this on offer. If the entries can be all computerised with a good program like the dog show super's use overseas it wouldn't take much extra time to set up the catalogues and its an easy thing to make the downloadable cat's password protected. Nice to see that some people care about the older generation on pensions that can't afford to buy the catalogues but still love to show as their chosen hobby

At a show once some pet owners had a large breed intact adult male dog that was walking off lead while we were walking 2 of our dogs and it came bounding over and attacked our dogs one of which was being walked by my young son at the time. The owners slowly walked over from a long distance away and it was up to me to protect my 2 dogs and my young child. It was a very traumatic experience for all of us and the main dog of mine that was attacked was always distrustful of that breed whenever he saw them for the rest of his life. The owners were pathetic and didnt even know what to do to help. I ended up at the doctors with stitches and infections. My child could have been killed or maimed. It was just horrible. We reported it to the show committee right afterward but since the people were not entered in the show there was nothing they could do. So I answered No, never!

That cost should be added into the cost of running the show as it is part of the show expenses. I wouldn't mind paying an extra dollar for my entries if the catalogue was included.

I can only afford to buy a catalogue (dogalogue) for the bigger shows and royals, specialties etc. After paying entries, petrol, road tolls etc etc the addded expense of a cat just takes it out of my reach but if they were cheaper I would happily buy them. An online catalogue that we can print out ourselves the day before would be an excellent option for us poor people

I was actually meaning the BIG/RUBIG and class in group results... I have found group 5, (no class in group results though), no group 4, if anyone can help ??? BEST IN GROUP 897 M Buckley GR CH BHEALAICH GOTTA LUV ME RUNNER UP TO BEST IN GROUP 865 Mistraka Kn CH MISTRAKA SGT PEPPER PUPPY 959 NJ Rule-Steele/H Spence DABKA’S KALIBER (Imp Swd) JUNIOR 960 G&P Russell CH PAZADA DOUBLE IDENTITY INTERMEDIATE 915 G&M Markotony CH GRAABINE LITTLE JOE (AI) AUST BRED 865 Mistraka Kn CH MISTRAKA SGT PEPPER OPEN 897 M Buckley GR CH BHEALAICH GOTTA LUV ME

I think most of the group 4 and 5 results have been posted un this thread on pages 7,8 and 9

Love the Deerhound!!

Does anyone know if this show will be indoors or outdoors? TIA

I totally agree and I dont care about the excuses or reasons made by certain people as to why its "OK" for them to show their dogs in such extreme heat. IT IS cruel and putting show results before the welfare of the animals who dont have any choice in the matter. I fail to see how any dog or human can be better off at a show than at home resting and staying as cool as possible on days of extreme heat. I would like to see the extreme temperature rules come into effect at 35 or 36 degrees instead of 40. That is extreme! 5 degrees is a huge difference and does effect man and beast alike.

Firstly I must be able to trust the bitch owner/s and have similar philosophies and goals - the bitch must be health tested with acceptable results (they dont have to be perfect) - the bitch must compliment my dog and vice-versa - Must be similar type to my dog - temperament must be good - must be registered but not necessarily titled - color must be acceptable genetically for the mating

Mine are usually double birth weight or alot of the time double plus a third or double and a half again.

You make it sound so simple to just move the show to the next day - What about the Judges, Committee & show staff ?? They have lives outside of showing & most would not be available to just turn up the next day. Of course I know it may not be possible and not easy to do but if you read my OP I simply asked if "its" at all possible? The judges are all Victorians so it may just be do-able?????????

But there would be many who did not enter Ballarat which at this stage may also be cancelled anyway. Even if they had also entered Ballarat they could have a choice to travel to Ballarat or KCC since its been paid for anyway. I would rather be able to have a choice to get to one show instead of no shows for the weekend.

I wonder if its at all possible to re-schedule this show for tomorrow...Sunday at KCC? The rain will have stopped by then and the water should have abated?

I think it is incredibly selfish to show a bitch in full season and most of them dont show well at that time anyway. (ears and tails go down and they become looser all over due to the effect of hormones) It is unrealistic to expect males especially stud dogs to behave as if those girls aren't there sharing their glorious girly smells and it makes it tough for the handlers of those male dogs. I dont think you can "train" most males to ignore those reproductive urges and its not fair to expect their owners to have to struggle with that issue unexpectedly at any given show, to say nothing of the poor judges with blood all over their hands and then going over a male with the lingering smells on their hands and clothes. In Europe they are not allowed to show bitches in season and as a matter of courtesy to other exhibitors I think its a good idea. Is it really too much to expect the girls in season to stay home for a weekend or 2 in the whole scheme of things? I dont think that's too much to expect is it?

Reminds me of when I was new and used to patiently listen to someone witter on to me at length about how terrible it was that certain people in the breed never said hello or spoke to them at shows, how rude, etc. It was only later that I realised those rude exhibitors were smarter than me!! That is hiliarious! SSM I have found the ones who are the nastiest, rudest people are always the ones without any semblance of normal life apart from dog shows. They take it all far too seriously and become really obsessive, manipulative and really hateful towards anyone who dares to beat their dog/s in the ring. In the end its only their own lives that are the really sad ones and their own bitterness and hatefulness that will ultimately affect their own health negatively. Sometimes I wonder why I am still showing

I think that the Hounds prefer being outside too so that they have room to move!

I agree that cheating IS cheating whichever way you look at it, IT IS still cheating and lying! Are these the kind of people you would want to go to for a stud dog or a puppy? I dont think so! I also think that the best way to assess possible stud dogs for your own bitches is to go to as many specialties as you can afford to go to to see the largest representations of any given breed, that is if your breed has a specialty.

Who would want to be at a dog show on New Years Eve! Too much fun to be had elsewhere!

You are right it is not allowed but how do you prove it?

We still dont have any numbers....anyone else yet to receive theirs?

I just did a google search on "dogs" and JUD came up first and dogZonline came up in 5th position. Dont know which "google" you were using? :D