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As far as I know dogs usually dont poo on where they or their masters sleep. Thats probably why this pup doesn't do his stuff in the bedroom. I had a puppy for a short period of time who had a passion of pooing on the carpet. (I put him on the balcony and he walks inside on the carpet and does his things) I had these special pads that were supposed to be smelly and make the dog to poo on them but the funny part was my puppy very much liked to sleep on the very pad I had bought him to poo on. I guess this is partially because the pad was nice and clean and he thought it's not to be pooed on. Maybe if a puppy is placed in a smelly, messy kind of place rather than a clean sheet he would want to poo on it.

Thanks for the responses. Maybe the way I wrote it gave an impression that I was trying to imply that I know better. That really wasn't the case. I was merely sharing what I had seen which basically made sense to me when I saw it. Thats all. I will be around. I don't know whether I will have the chance in the future but I really like to have two or three dogs. Whether I'm gonna have the time and the suitable space to look after them is another story. But hey I can always stick around here whenever I have time and sit back and see what you guys have to say. Lilly'smum I must also mention that what I had said previously was not intended towards puppies. I myself wouldn't want to get myself physically involved with a being that is weaker than me and harm it. I just don't have the heart for it and I miss the puppy I had as it is. What I mentioned previously was mainly aimed towards bigger adult dogs such as GSD, Rottweiler, Doberman etc when they are grown up. By the way has anyone here seen the movie "Hills have eyes?" Gotta love that big male GSD huh?

Ok I'm gonna say something and I don't really want anyone to get the wrong idea. A week ago I joined up on these forumes and posted some message etc... ever since I posted that message the main responses I have had were either "You are lame you gotta be joking" OR "Neither the pet shop nor bark busters or any other trainer you have ever seen are as experienced as we are". I'm not going to question your experience because I simply don't know. But believe it or not I'm amazed how everyone talks so confidently around here and accuses me of knowing nothing and being wrong etc... Trsut me I already know that I don't know anything about dogs there really is no need to say it but also give me the right as a neutral observer to be curious on how every member around here dismisses all methods out there and believe they are the only ones who know everything. I don't know whether that has been your intention or not but it has surely been the impression I have had from the forume. What I shared here was not something I just made up and thought was right. It was mainly what I had seen. I wasn't going to mention it but here it is lemme talk about one of the experiences I have had: A couple of months ago I had the opportunity to go and see an aggressive dog first hand. By then I was doing my secuirty license and the tutor was also training dogs and it was a session on dog handling for secutiry officers. After the session was over the tutor who knew I was interested to see the dogs told me that he had an aggresive dog which he was supposed to deal with. I don't know whether it was one of his dogs or a dog someone had brought for him to deal with. All I knew was that it was a massive german shepherd who barked a lot, pulled on his leash and had tried to bite in the past. Making long story short what this guy did was he went for a run and ran with the dog a couple of laps around a large oval, He then brought the dog back to his backyard put his neck between the doors and pushed it for a while (No the dog didn't choke or anything). This dog didn't make a single noise afterwards. I don't know what else was going to be accomplished with this dog but he seemed to have become pretty obidient. I didn't have to opportunity to see further what happened and if there were further steps etc... This is just one experience I had and showed that dogs who play up and don't really like to take orders need a firm hand and that was simply what I was saying. I'm not going to become a police dog trainer or anything as such. It was simply an experience or an opinion I was sharing thats all.

I don't think anyone would use such methods for a family pet. I havn't really seen a handler who trains family pets so I don't know. Even the tariners who trained larger dogs as I mentioned were good with their dog for the most part and encouraged positive behaviour. One handler I know told me he doesn't normally give his dogs any treats but instead as soon as the dog does what he is expected to do he offers the dog a game and plays a game with the dog for some time and he said it works much better than a treat. (he was kinda large himself too so I guess it helps him to lose some kilos as well) Nekhbet Maybe we can agree that its all a combination of behaviour that's needed to train a dog. My original understanding from what lillysmum said was that she basically ignores the dog for all kinds of negative behaviour and I thought it's not the right way to always do that. Imagine if you have an aggressive, dominant dog that wants to be your leader. I don't think ignoring this dog is going to solve the problem since as soon as you get near him, he would want to tear you apart. I was mainly talking about those types of behaviour where you have a very powerful dog who is aggresive and dominant.

Ok I agree I may not have first hand experience and what I was talking about was mainly what I learned from dog handlers who mainly trained larger dogs for special purposes such as drug detection and other police duties. In my opinion it doesnt work that way. The dog and specially larger aggresive types of dogs don't "always" seek attention. If a large dog barks at the owner trying to say "hey I'm alpha" and the owner ignores the dog I guess the dog has indeed accomplished his purpose. He doesn't care whether you pay attention to him or not he wants to be your leader and unless if you prove to him that you are more powerful he simply won't give up. It's the wolf's instinct. The large male wolf wants to be the leader unless if he is challenged by another member of his pack. You say if you bark at the dog you have paid him attention but that too doesn't make sense. If that was the case why do you think 2 large male dogs that see eachother get angry and start barking loudly at eachother trying to start a fight? If simply by ignoring eachother they could become alpha then what was the need for the loud barking? There is a difference in the pitch of the bark and it doesn't just mean the dog has accomplished his purpose if you bark at him You can laugh at it all you want but I have had the opportunity to speak to experienced dog handlers who train dogs for a living and they all were very firm with their dogs and it worked very well with the dog. That is not to say that the dog was simply their slave. They did encourage the positive behaviour in the dog and they were generally behaving well with their dogs but as soon as the dog started playing up on them they didn't tolerate it at all and it really made sense...

lol no need for growling. But I'm thinking this thesis you have done... Isn't it in some kind of doc or pdf format or you just wrote everything down yourself?

Lilly'smum I understand that you like a rather soft approach towards dogs and specially puppies. I have pointed out before that I'm not experienced as you know but I have seen some really experienced dog trainers and they all shared a common trait. They all were very firm with the dogs. Specially when it comes to the large male dogs. Although you may like a type of ignore kind of approach for negative behaviour I have to disagree that it most probably wont work with the large male dogs who want to become alpha in their pack. They need discipline (did I spell that properly?) and a firm hand in order to take orders and unfortunately at times they need to be afraid in order to understand their owner IS the alpha and not them or else they really want to take over their pack. It's their instinct afterall and unless they are challenged by another member they will eventually become alpha and just ignoring them will probably make things worse. In another threat someone esle mentioned about big dogs that are generally aggresive even towards their own owner and they tell the owner off from the backyard. I guess they are the type of owners that spoiled the dog from puppyhood or had soft kind of approaches towards the dog and the dog just assumed authority with them. I have asked around and bark buster's methods does work. I have asked from few friends who had a dog with some kind of bad behaviour and some of them had to call bark busters and they said BB are fantastic. desexemall I wasn't really referring to you. I just found that no one else took interest in the actual question. It's all good I was just kidding

I'm yet to figure out how to make an excited kind of bark.

Around parramatta in sydney Funny how no one is inetrested to answer the question I asked :p

Not yet. There arnt any shelters near where I live and I have to wait until my study load becomes lighter before driving up to other suburbs and work in those shelters

In the short period of time I had a puppy I realized that barking very loud at the puppy (in dog kind of voice that is) interrupts their bad behaviour and usually after a few times stops them from doing whatever they were doing and was undesired by the owner. Has anyone else experienced this?