SparkyTansy

Sutton no question is a bad one - and not everything is that obvious to the new person when entering their first show. If it helps, the show schedules and the entry forms do not vary much from state to state, so it might help the situation if you gave your breeder a call and asked them to help you through some of the questions. Write a list before you call and then write down the answers for future reference. things like Show preparation, leads and collars, dressing for the showring, footwear etc can vary from breed to breed.

Caramel Toffee

I have nothing interesting to say... Oh actually just for anyone attending the Gundog Club Show or any other show or Trial at the Canine grounds on 20th August, there will be no canteen or catering that day, so you will need to BYO!

I started out with a male on mains, but when I changed breeds I didnt have an issue getting a female to show on mains, as I had already displayed knowledge etc. It was much easier to start with a male but if you explain your reasons honestly and clearly, i think that the right person will trust you with a female. Also if you are not in a rush to find a female, getting to know a breeder will also help things - you might find that although they may originally want co-ownership, your relationship will enable you to have a trusting partnership with a dog.

Thanks showdog that's great!! can you tell me which FB page that is please? Faol - crufts is now a bit scary as much as i wanted to do it before!! btw... this thread was on page 2

sutton the catalogue lists all the dogs entered for the whole show. again, on the show schedule, you will see how much they are charging to buy a catalogue. Just put that into the cost amount on the entry form if you want to buy one. Ask your breeder which type of show lead you shoudl purchase for your breed.

I too show in WA where if the forecast is possible shower they won't run the risk and we are set up undercover, which is fine for split shows but horrible with all breed shows over one day... it is quite annoying as sometimes i think it'd be great to get the "all weather' breeds out there to test their coats and stamina in the rain... plus my dogs love the rain!!

I'm not really sure RV, although I do know there were no other OES. My mum said there were two English Setters showing though

Oh I just want to add a shameless brag for those who didn't see it on FB... My sister went to her first show in Jersey, with Charlie, her OES that i used to handle here in Australia. She was really nervous, but I knew she'd do just fine, and Charlie loves it so much that he pretty much did everything right. So... Charlie AKA BISS Aust Ch Bobbysox Trail Blazer won Runner up in the Pastoral Group (Group 5 - working dogs to you and me), and Best Open in the Pastoral Group. I'm not exactly sure how the shows run over there - I'm waiting for my sister to explain it... but she did win several ribbons and a trophy, so I am beyond proud of her!!!

your friend could try calling the state CCC the puppy is from to see if the litter was in fact registered, as a first step.

This - with my dog Spartan. Atopy is incredibly difficult to manage and desensitisation does not work on some dogs, and it is never a 100% cure. Would like to add, English Setters also have a predisposition to atopic skin allergies. I have been told that food allergies are not believed to be inherited, but the numbers of dogs with food allergies/intolerance are on the increase. Spartan was a show dog, and I did show him, but I made the decision very early on that I woudl never allow him to be bred from. I desexed him at the age of 5.5y but even if i hadn't, he wouldn't have been bred from. Skin problems are as difficult to find/diagnose and to track as HD is... it can skip many generations and crop up at any point. Sometimes I feel as though some people stick their head in teh sand when it comes to breeding dogs with skin problems, or relatives of dogs with skin problems. i wouldn't wish it upon anyone. ETA Spartan is also allergic to chicken, which made his skin problems particularly difficult to diagnose

Ptolomy *hug* so sorry about Lara Emery sorry that your vet was a bit unfeeling... but glad you got to grieve with him.

RS I do plan on training retrieving at some stage but Lulu is a bit too young to start at your level just yet!!! will be handy though considering we are quite close in proximity

sps we do it at the canine association on the back oval. You will need to be a member of the Southern River Obedience & Agility club but if you want to come down to watch I'm sure that will be ok. If you think you definitely want to join in, just become a member when you get there and then come down. We are the ones that train in the semi darkness because the light is a bit further away!! Tiggy if you are a member of the club, it's not a big deal I believe, as long as you pay light money to one of the instructors of the classes running on the same night. RV, Ptolomy, and a few others train in the same area but not as part of a class,and as far as I am aware, the club was fine with this as long as we were members, and as long as we paid for the lights each time ($3)

Oh no... I think you need to change vets. I am not actually sure how it is possible for vets to actually believe this, with their scientific minds and all, however those pet food companies do a real number brainwashing them in vet school I guess.

Tiggy of course you'd be welcome. Usually it's just me and RV doing the rally course, occasionally RS does a round, and RV does a round or two with one of the red heads. Because it's usually just me and RV, we take long breaks in between to give the dogs a break from the monotony I usually have two dogs to go through, although I'm hoping that RV will be taking Spartan through this term while I focus on my unfocused Weimaraner!! I think that I'll be bringing Lulu down for some puppy cuddles and socialisation next monday, so beyond setting up the course, I may not get much training done!!

Emery *hug* I'm so sorry - thinking of you. Boxagirl pics please!!! Tiggy - themore the merrier! I can't wait to start back at training - it's been waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too long!!

Hi Sutton Have a look at the show schedules - under classes it lists the classes on offer. If your puppy is 3-6 months it's baby class, 6-9 months is minor, 6-12 months is puppy, 12-18 months is junior 18-36 months is Intermediate and 36 months plus is open, state bred (if bred in the state you are exhibiting) or Australian bred (if bred in Australia). Not all the classes are offered all the time, but most of the classes I listed above are usually offered. What breed do you have? Can your breeder give you any tips for the type of show lead you need, grooming tips etc? Depending on the breed, there are various ways you need to prepare fora show. A short coated breed generally needs a bath and make sure ears are clean and their nails are short. For coated breeds, is usually breed specific show preparation which you might need to learn from someone else. I think there is a larger show in Adelaide this weekend... maybe on their website? why don't you go down and watch your breed, see what kind of lead they have and watch how they prepare their dogs. watch them in the ring, too, to see how people handle and what the judge asks them to do. i'd also look into show handling classes so hopefully someone from adelaide will come along soon and advise on what classes are on offer.

I had a similar issue with one of my puppy buyers that had to stand up for himself and argue to have a C3 Vaccination for his 12 week old puppy instead of a C5 (a BREED recommendation that has been studied with documented evidence of issues). Luckily given I had given him all the information he needed to make the informed decision, he was able to explain why it was recommended... it didn't stop them from lecturing him though. They also had a go at him for feeding raw. A person who is softer natured may give in to that kind of pressure. I think it's great that vets help puppy buyers understand, but drilling something into them without being well informed about it is another story.

I third going down to a show to meet both breeds... your wife might see just how loving and calm a well bred and trained Dobe can be. Just remember, even within breeds, no two dogs are the same... your first GSD may be totally different to a GSD you might get in the future - take each dog on as an individual and try not to compare. I have never had two weimaraners that are the same, including mother/daughter and my two english setters who are moderately closely related are like chalk and cheese.

Well, yes, breeders terms generally means for the use of the breeder... the fact that you agreed to breeders terms means that you understood at thetime of sale, that you were getting a main registered dog, at the agreed price, with the breeder having rights to use him for breeding. You knew, when you purchased him, that you would have to keep him entire. The fact that you now want him desexed means that you will need to speak to the breeder, because you are wishing to break the original contract that saw you receiving a main registered dog on breeders terms, instead of a limited register dog. Can you please clarify, does the contract say you are to pay for hip scores or the breeder? I'd find it unusual if it was you, unless as i said previously, this was built into the discount of the sale price. The fact that it states that she is to pay for all expenses for stud probably means health testing/scoring as well. Out of curiosity, do you hold the papers for him, and is he in your name? I think the best thing you can possibly do is to call and speak to the breeder about your concerns, and your options... it's a courtesy and an obligation for you to do so.

it really depends on the breed and/or temperament... sometimes they can co-exist happily and sometimes there are issues. I had two male English Setters who happily co-existed both entire for two years, however I am sure that there may have been issues with them on occasion when the older one hit sexual maturity, but it didn't get to that point as I desexed the oldest boy before then.

You agreed to pay the cheaper price to allow him to be used at stud. these may be valuable lines to the breeder that she cannot use as yet. If it was agreed that you would get his hips done at your expense, why should she now have to pay for them, given that may have been built into the discount you received when you purchased him? you now don't want to breed him, well given it was the breeders choice to use him at stud when he wanted to, and you agreed to breeders terms, the best thing you can do is talk properly to the breeder about your reasons for wanting to desex... perhaps you can negotiate a semen collection after his hips/elbows are scored. Are you now willing to pay the difference between what you originally paid and what you would have paid if he wasn't on breeders terms?

SwaY - THIS, since I was in the same boat as BM whelping supplies! that went quick!!

lol RS - yes I always wanted to fit my chi into a tea cup, because the standard size is just so impractical. :rolleyes: