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Hi Tania This isn't working. You need to try again. I'd suggest 1. Giving your post another title, eg, "Survey on pet shops" subtitle "Year 12 project" 2. Setting it up so that it's easy for viewers to return the survey to you. Very important that your email address works. Give instructions about how to respond. 3. Think the survey through a little more. I've tried to fill it out below . . . I think pet shop sales of live animals are cruel and should be banned. I have not and never will bought/buy an animal from a pet shop (actually, I bought some fish from a pet shop . . . but I don't think you're asking about fish). You should have something in there to tell people like me to skip to question 13. 4. If you're asking about dog or cat, say that . . . not 'pet'. 5. Us oldies have gotten lots of pets from shelters/breeders/etc. It's hard for people in our group to fill out the survey. Make it clearer, please. Good luck Survey 1. What are your thoughts of animals in pet shops? Cruel Unsure Fine Comments: Define 'animal' 2. Would you consider buying an animal from a pet store? Yes No 3. Have you ever brought an animal from a pet shop? Yes No 4. What was it? n.a. 5. Are you happy with the animal? n.a. 6. Why did you get the animal from the pet shop? n.a. 7. Did the animal live with you till the end of its life or still is living with you? n.a. 8. If you answered No for question 5, do you know what happened to the pet? n.a. 9. Reason to give the animal up. (circle answer)  Can’t afford it  Moved housed  Took too much to care for  Too destructive  Not good with kids  No time  Didn’t get on with other animals  Other ________________________________________________________________ 10. Do you know where pet shops get their animals from? Yes No 11. If yes, Where from and how do you know? ________________________________________________________________________________ 12. Does it make you concerned? Yes No 13. Do you think Pet shops are better than shelter pets? Yes No Question doesn't make sense. I think you mean 'pet shop pets' . . . not ;pet shops'. Why/ Why not? ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ 14. Have you ever brought an animal from a rescue shelter, group or qualified registered breeder? Yes No What do you mean by a 'group'? I have bought both from a rescue shelter and from a couple registered breeders. How should I answer? 15. Where you happy with the animal? Yes No Two yesses, one no . . . The no was a show dog bought from a breeder. His hip scores came out bad and I re-sold him as a pet. He was a wonderful, beautiful dog. 16. Did the animal live with you till the end of its life or is it still living with you? Yes No Thank you very much for filling out my survey.

Very sad for you. Poor pup. Fingers crossed that it turns out to be poor positioning on the X-ray or a vet who doesn't know their stuff. I imported a pup -- main register, intended for show and stud work. Sire and dam and some generations back had good hip/elbow scores. He turned out to be a stunning dog, but unfortunately had bad hips (total score 23) and was rehomed as a pet with a family who understood he needed to be kept lean. I had discussed health guarantees with the breeder before buying the pup and she said she doesn't give them. I chalked it up as bad luck. In answer to your question . . . with unpredictable and non-preventable defects, the breeder has as much responsibility as they choose to take. Most breeders have a consistent policy and stick to it. In my opinion, that is what they should do . . . and they should communicate the policy to puppy buyers. But most of what breeders should do is on the prevention side . . . . careful selection of sire and dam, clear care instructions to puppy buyers. Occasionally someone gets a good lawyer and forces a breeder to take more responsibility. If a lot of cases go legal or highly public, I can see the animal rights types starting campaigns to end the breeding of giant breeds . . .

Very true RSG but if the dogs had been declared dangerous and contained in accordance with DD regs, they'd have been in a roofed pen. I doubt the child could have gotten to them. The kid was a four year old! The gate couldn't have been much if the child entered the yard. Kids do sneak out of the house and go walkabout. I hope they win the lawsuit, and the council, and other councils as well, get the message that DD regs need to be enforced. Poor parents.

Personally, I'm pro BSL . . . I just don't see that the pit bull deserves banning. I think there is good reason for banning a breed whose breed standard calls for extreme aversion to strangers, and whose body weight is twice or more that of the APBT, especially when that (or those) breed(s) is/are virtually absent from Australia and thus, no one with a much-loved dog is being hurt by the ban. Now that I live in a place where pit bulls are as common as staffies are in Australia, I don't see what the fuss is about. Macho idiot owners are another issue.

Lots of disagreement here and lots of room for disagreement. I live outside a town in California . . . dominantly Hispanic, low income. Most dogs are either chihuahua-types or pit bull types, and are pets. Pedigree dogs are rare, as is systematic breeding, health testing, obedience training, etc. Temperament testing, virtually unknown. I find the town pitties are similar to staffies in Australia. Usually easy going with people. Some are pretty bad with other dogs. It's not uncommon to see them with pinch collars as the regular collar, suggesting that some people have had problems with control. I think the last severe dog out of control problem we had here was a Malinois, bought as a trained attack dog, who took to escaping and killed a few small dogs and then got pts. Mostly, the pit bull types are ok. But these street dog pit bulls are probably quite different from the registered APBTs that get exported and show up in Europe, or, for that matter, than the ones who show up in the show ring in the US. Just as the run-of-the-mill Staffie, as found in Australian backyards, is pretty different from SBT's you might find in a European show ring. I'm sure you can find people here who get to know the local dog population and pick out the most aggressive pit bull types, either for guard dogs or fighting dogs, or both. I would guess that the four dogs who killed the woman were this sort of pit bull. Sounds like someone socialised them to one another in the back yard and didn't keep good fencing. Bingo. Predatory dog pack. Btw, all 4 are now dead. One shot by the police. Three pts. I'd say the problem here was more the 'pack' without good fencing . . . and some idiot owner who likes mean dogs more than the fact that the dogs were pit bull types. I'd say it's much more likely that this would happen with bull terrier types than, say, gun dogs or herding dogs. For one thing, macho guys don't like gun dogs or herding dogs. For another, most don't readily train to fight or attack (though I've seen goldie bitch fights that would have resulted in death if someone hadn't intervened).

3 pit bull mix dogs euthanized after fatal mauling in Truth or Consequences, NM THE ASSOCIATED PRESS First Posted: May 06, 2011 - 4:23 pm Last Updated: May 06, 2011 - 4:24 pmTRUTH OR CONSEQUENCES, N.M. — Three dogs that fatally mauled a Truth or Consequences woman last month have been destroyed. Veterinarian Dr. Bill Cardwell of the Hot Springs Animal Clinic says the dogs were euthanized Thursday after being quarantined for 10 days. Cardwell says the dogs' owner relinquished them. A 48-year-old woman, Margaret Salcedo, was mauled by four pit bulls and pit bull mix dogs as she took a walk in her neighborhood April 24. She died at a hospital a few hours later. An officer who responded to a 911 call about the attack shot one of the dogs. It was later found dead, and the other three dogs were taken to an animal shelter. State police have been investigating the mauling. The district attorney will decide whether to charge the dogs' owner. see: http://www.therepubl...al-Dog-Mauling/ With respect to the breed specific thing . . . in some neighborhoods in the US there are lots of pit bull looking dogs. Most are of unknown pedigree and weren't deliberately bred for anything . . . except, perhaps, to be pets. The BSL question makes it hard for the press to know what to call such dogs . . . most people just call them pit bulls. They are so common, and breed is so difficult to establish, that BSL would be politically impossible, despite parts of the public who think it's the way to go. Some argue that the family dog is the main function of pit bulls, historically. Eg, see http://www.dontbullymybreed.org/ In my opinion, it's more critical that that four powerful dogs who were not socialized for human interaction escaped from a back yard and acted as a predatory pack. I don't think it's breed irrelevant. Four gun dogs would be unlikely to turn predatory, but you never know. I hope the DA throws the book at the owner.

Warning. If you source live plants, and plant them in your garden, you may have one hell of a time getting rid of it. Keep it in a pot if you want fresh stuff. I contributed comfrey to a few people's gardens back in my hippie days (before research found that comfrey tea was NOT such a good thing and confrey got banned for internal use) . . . and found myself cursed for decades by people who found that no matter how much digging they did, the stuff always came back.

When I ran a kennel in Perth, I had a boarder (blue heeler) from the goldfields who had awful, awful mange from early puppyhood. The poor owner had taken the dog to Murdoch for special diagnosis and treatment. She had already spent $11,000 on the dog and taken a second job to pay vet bills. Murdoch did $3000 of tests and came up with no definitive answer. The poor dog ended out with stitches all over its body where they had done a sort of sampling that is deeper than normal scrapings . . . he was on a complex schedule of pills and lotions. I'm not a vet, and I don't know all the details . . . but it can be a bugger of a disease.

I would not use such a service. I am too attached to my girls and I couldn't be comfortable with them being away from me at a critical time, and I imagine they would be freaked out by being taken away from home without 'mom'. I would have paid quite a bit for someone to come and sit in on the whelping for the first few litters I had.

Councils have been known to do things they aren't supposed to do. As PTS is final, keeping the dog confined is a good idea . . . might also be good to correct the notion cause even if your friend's dog doesn't get PTS, if they have this policy, someone else may end out loosing their dog.

Here's another article on Dogs of War . . . .with more and bigger pictures. One of a guy jumping with dog in his arms. . . the guy in question "recently broke the world record for "highest man/dog parachute deployment" by jumping from 30,100 feet. Yikes! http://www.foreignpo...ar_dog?page=0,0 (also a lot of commentary)

Tip 1. smell before you use. Some butchers put a bunch of stuff to the side and eventually mince it. Chicken gets raunchy pretty fast. 2. even if you're feeding it raw, try cooking a bit. That will give you a good picture of how much fat it contains. Unless your dog is skinny and free from digestive problems/pancreatitis, avoid stuff with a lit of fat. The stuff butchers put to the side may be bone . . . but it may also be skin (fatty on chickens) and fat trimmings.

Isn't the Peruvian Inca Orchid dog rare and somewhat endangered? I noticed one looking for a home in our local Craigslist (equivalent of Gumtree). I have a question out as to where it came from, etc. If anyone is interested in the breed, may be worth checking out . . . I'd be willing to help if needed. Here's the ad http://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/pet/2355286472.html

All my dogs go crazy with greeting in the morning and we spend 10 or 15 minutes stroking, scratching, and creating bedlam in the bed when I first wake up. But the range of dog behaviours is huge. My present pup (17 months) wiggles up to me, lies still with max body contact, often putting her head across my lap. She will quite happily sit on my lap, or anyone's lap if they'll let her (she's a very muscular Labrador, so you notice when she sits on you). She rarely wags her tail, and almost never licks. Her granddam doesn't get it. She wags her tail furiously, tromps all over me, and when she lies down she invariably puts her bum next to my face. She doesn't settle down for long . . . and despite many years trying to get her to stop, will not refrain from kisses, preferable to the face. My first Labbie was shy of even coming on the bed, and never really learned to cuddle (she was GREAT and rough-housing and playing, though). How do your dogs cuddle? Are they as variable as mine? And do the good the traits of the pup always persist into adulthood?

It isn't 100% true. I've known dogs to get kennel cough twice. But I do think it's true that exposure builds resistence. When I lived in Oz I did C3 a lot of the time. And I was quite happy to expose my mob when there was a light strain going around. In my book KC is a lot like the common cold or flu. Some strains are mildly inconvenient and pass in a few days. Some get the dogs quite sick. Really? I didn't know this!

Surprised that I can't find any Labrador responses in this thread. For the non-Labrador crowd . . . black was the "original" colour for Labbies. Yellow followed. Chocolate is rising, or now equal second with yellow, depending on where you are. But whether you're talking stud dog preferences, prices, ease of puppy placement, or whatever, black has been in decline for 50 years or more. This is pronounced in the show ring . . . if you go back 50 years, BIS was usually a black. Now it's occasionally a black, usually a yellow, occasionally a choco . . . with significant geographical differences. In my book BLACK IS BEAUTIFUL. To me, blacks are still the 'original, bone fide Labradors. I live off the land and dirt is part of my life. No light wall-to-wall carpet in my lifestyle. Black works. And blacks scare people, great. In my book, the ideal guard dog is a great woos that scares people but will never attack. Perhaps 'black' needs some PR. I could see starting a 'black dog rescue' organisation, with some trendy adverts and good online presence, catering to the group that likes black T-shirts and dark clothing.

I remember that the rule in WA as a whole was 2 dogs, except in kennel areas, though councils have the option of setting a higher (or lower) limit, or allowing more dogs on rural properties. Many don't bother enforcing the rules in the bush.

Thanks everyone for info. I don't think I'll try permoxin, as the spot-on treatment that caused seizures in my girl was permethrin based. Many insecticides are nerve poisons. Having found there's something sensitive in my old girl's nervous system, I don't want to take chances. Google on Permoxin yielded the following: Permoxin is a concentrated permethrin based insecticidal spray and rinse for the control of fleas and ticks on dogs, and flies and biting insects on horses. ...

We have loads of ticks around here. One of my dogs gets loads of them. I had a problem with tick meds leading to seizures last year and am hesitant to go back to medicinal responses. . .. so tick picking is part of the morning greeting ritual. The dogs seem happy to have me go over and pull the beasties. I myself have gotten half a dozen ticks attached, which is pretty gross. The sores from pulling them ulcerate in a pretty ugly way and are slow to heal. I'm curious as to whether my dogs are suffering from having a tick or two pulled every day . . . and whether I should go back to using meds, despite bad reactions. Btw, the girl who got really bad seizures and nearly died has gone on to have cluster siezures and is now on a low dose phenobarbital regime. She almost never gets ticks. Is it possible that the phenobarbital acts as a tick repellant? p.s. we don't have tick borne diseases in the area and do have lots of wildlife.

Ditto everyone. Poor woman. Awful. Awful. Awful! way to go. I live in a predominantly Hispanic area of the US. The neighborhood dogs are mostly chihuahua types and pit bull types, but you'd have a hard time finding a pedigree anything. Most people ignore the lack of pedigree and just call the dogs according to their types. The press will do the same. The chi's tend to be ankle biters and the pit bull types tend to be friendly, though many have issues with other dogs, and unlike the chi-types, you don't often see them wandering. I wouldn't say the dogs were 'bred' for anything. By in large they were conceived because, despite compulsory sterilization here, not everyone neuters their dogs and . . . well, puppies happen. The problem here was owners. It is stupid to allow large/powerful dogs to form a pack and exhibit predatory group behaviour; it is criminal to do so if your fences aren't solid and secure at top and bottom, and if the gate arrangements aren't extremely well controlled. No smarter than leaving a loaded gun in a kindergarten. In this case, I'd hope the owners are charged with manslaughter. It would be accurate. Someone mentioned a husky mauling in Norway. I remember looking at dog-fatality statistics for Canada at some point, and cases of husky packs killing people, mostly children, mostly in rural areas where dog sledding was a way of life, were a big contributor. Again, packs of large dogs.

Guess I should check out the Droid Apps store and find out how many people have downloaded this app. I'd hope the numbers are fairly small. I'd say the section of the community that thinks Grand Auto Theft is cool is somewhat larger than the segment that thinks dog fighting is cool. I'm not into condemning stuff, partly cause I don't know how to do so effectively (mostly 'bad' kids think it's funny when an old lady scolds them). But the popularity of violent amoral games among some sections of the community bothers me. I don't know the gaming world at all well, but I'd agree generally with the Raz that this is one of many violent, amoral games . . . and it's a worry . . . but part of a bigger worrysome picture. Glad I just have dogs and no kids. There are no significant sections of the community who encourage beating people to death or running over old ladies as social norms. The people who are involved with dog fighting see it as an acceptable social norm amongst their peers.

If the surgery is required to preserve vision, I wouldn't call it "cosmetic". the bolded bit. just because something is not allowed under the rules does not mean it doesn't occur Agree, I have personally witnessed entropian surgeries on show dogs who have gone on to continue being exhibited.

I'd say that's a reasonable claim by US standards. If it's a jury trial, anything could happen. Let's hope it gets lots of publicity so people get the message that out of control vicious dogs can be expensive.

As I look over the General forum on DOL, I find a large number of posts relating to health and grooming, quite a few relating to training. And if I want an answer to a health or training question, I'm likely to post to general cause I know I will get more response. This misclassification bothers me. Maybe it would be good to put General down the list of forums so that you have to scroll to find it. Maybe that would end out with people postint to general when they can't find a specific forum that suits. Btw. this post should probably fall under Forum Suggestions / Help / Messages , but General gets 100++ posts for every post on that forum, so why bother with it?

Agreed. Note the requirement for foster carers with juveniles (defined as puppies or kittens, no age specified) assess and record the weight and condition of the animal in their care on a daily basis Come on. In the first week or two, many of us weigh pups daily or a few times a week, but I don't know anyone who does so at four months. I only skimmed the text, but there were a few things that seem over the top. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.