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Why is a 10 week old pup still available? Is it a registered breeder? Some breeders (like me for instance) don't even PLACE puppies until 10 weeks of age.

I haven't used Vit B, but have used a Greyhound product called White E with success. And also used Rescue Remedy. Midniara gave me a special concoction that a homeopathic chemist had made up for one of her dogs that was a bit nervy and that was brilliant. Was based on rescue remedy but had some other wildflower added to it.

Quick snap....taken after yesterday's bath (the pre-show bath bath :laugh: )....probably nothing more to add until Friday when I hope to get some good photos taken if not during judging, then afterwards.

Usually one of two things..... 1) Whatever I'm eating.... or 2) Whatever the other dog has......

OK, they're not a registered breeder with any of the ANKC affiliated bodies then. I googled TBQA and it came up as a horse breeding association. Personally, upon reading what they have said....I'd be running a mile. But that's just me.

Llante, nobody is a member of the ANKC. It is a body which oversees all canine activities in Australia. A registered breeder is a member of the state controlling body of the state in which they reside and all puppies are registered with that body on behalf of the ANKC. Most breed clubs require that any member who actively breeds is a financial member of their own state controlling body. Maybe you could cut and paste exactly what the breeder has said and one of us may be able to help interpret it correctly? And editing to add: Sometimes, a warning sign that the person may not be legit is if they appear to be legit by mentioning lots of club names and associations, but fall short of the correct ones, possibly even in ways that you have mentioned. ie not knowing that you do not become a member of the ANKC.

And I suppose they are subject to this kind of treatment 24/7! :laugh: Sadly yes. Ring the ARSEPCA. I'll be waiting!!! :laugh: :laugh: We'd be going down together sister! ;) Amen to that! :laugh:

Don't stress, most haven't been posted as yet. Apparently there has been a major stuff up with the catalogue so when you DO finally receive them (probably won't be before next week now), check them carefully.

I use Wahl Moser Arcos on my lot, from the American Cocker right onto the whiskers and tail of the Staffordshire Bull Terrier. Charge quickly, are light and not all that noisy.

And I suppose they are subject to this kind of treatment 24/7! :laugh: Sadly yes. Ring the ARSEPCA. I'll be waiting!!! :laugh:

Saliva? What DNA tests are done on a dog's saliva? Cheek swabs are a very common way of testing for a lot of things. Very easy to do and non invasive. I have a sneaking suspicion that Sandra is absolutely well aware of this and is possibly being a tad facetious!! *insert wicked winking icon here*

Saliva? What DNA tests are done on a dog's saliva? I'm thinking they mean from the inside of the mouth......but don't quote me :laugh:

I was somewhat taken aback recently when I had to pay a separate $10 fee for the privilege of having eye results put onto an ANKC - AVA ACES Eye Examination form. He would have written them on an eye certificate anyway but for this specific form it cost extra. Bit cheeky really.

Anybody can take the swab but unless taken by an authorised collector or a vet it won't be recognised officially. Also, as showdog pointed out, some tests are not able to be done in Australia due to patents owned by other labs. DNA seems very simple but it isn't always the case in reality, depending upon your breed/s.

While there is more to breeding than showing and health testing, I tend to agree with you. In my opinion, pieces of paper and paid membership to an organisation don't make a good breeder. Being a registered breeder and an irresponsible and careless breeder aren't mutually exclusive things, unfortunately. As I said above "Legislation will never take the place of ethics and morality".

It's not so much the "caring for the bitch while the owner is away" that rings an alarm for me, it's that somebody ELSE is selling the puppies. As a breeder, *I* make the decisions about where my puppies go and I'd never allow another party to make those decisions on my behalf.

Actually, you'll find a lot more than that in NSW. The only breeders you will find on the actual website are those who pay for a listing. There are many more who don't.

I guess only if somebody challenges it. And something like HD isn't generally a condition that one would say is definitely a result of not having parents tested because two parents with perfect hips can still produce dysplastic offspring for genetic or other reasons such as environment. If there isn't a genetic pre-disposition to something in known health studies for a breed, then you wouldn't get anywhere challenging it either...some breeds are just genetically more healthy (sometimes this is the case in more primitive breeds such as Salukis) than others. In cases like Greyshaft, the condition was rare but still known in the breed so the success was based upon this. Now, it is commonplace for the testing to be done. Had Greyshaft not have happened...who knows?

Yes, if you actually KNOW about them. Not all conditions are known beforehand and it is easy to be wise in hindsight. And there are not DNA tests for every condition known to man. And as some of the more "modern" breeds evolve, issues will arise that probably weren't previously known about. There is still some responsibility on the part of the purchaser to ensure that they are happy with the level of testing (or not) that a breeder is doing. No breeder is given a crystal ball when they start breeding dogs. If only that were the case.....

In a perfect world there would be mandatory testing of health for breeds which have "known" health issues. However not every health issue has a reliable test and some issues have only partial tests (PRA in American Cockers for example). Until then, there is only visual testing for some breeds. But at the end of the day, the responsibility lies with the breeder and the potential purchaser. The breeder should be able to represent themselves with integrity and the purchaser needs to ensure that they ask the right questions, look at the right bits of paper and then use any knowledge to its best advantage. Legislation will never take the place of ethics and morality and they shouldn't be interchangeable.

You can ring the canine controlling body in the breeder's home state and ask.

My setup...but this is especially cruel and unusual....not at all recommended unless you want to be washing your bedding every couple of days!!

:laugh: I hear you. I was going to call my next puppy Iris no matter what anyway. And hopefully she'll get my first choice as her registered name as well. There's a story behind the name really....bit soppy....but special. My dad passed away in May and I had the song Iris by the Goo Goo Dolls played as he left the church. It is some money that he had squirrelled away that is enabling me to purchase Iris so this is kind of a tribute and a thank you to my dad.

Reminds me of a dinner I was at a few years ago. One of the women said to me "oh you've got dogs, you'd LOVE my new puppy. I have a Cockerpoo". Mr Ellz nearly fell off his chair when I replied "I pick that stuff up in my backyard every day........"

Ohhhhhhhh !.! Iris is beautiful :-) Thanks Aso. I'm very excited. I've been waiting a long time for this little girl. Her two big furbrothers are going to love her! :)