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That is perfect!!!! But they are in Sydney, damn

Hmm there's a thought, thanks Ness!

The 8th of May A while off yet but I want to get it sorted Thanks!

Is there anywhere you can hire a crate from, for a day? I need a Saint-sized one, so XXL I guess. I am in SA. ETA: Posted in the Training forum too.

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Is there anywhere you can hire crates from I wonder?

Ohh Melo I am very sorry I enjoyed meeting Tara the couple times I did at the DOL meets, she was so beautiful. RIP dear girl

Ok all is well, I emailed K9Pro (which is what I should have done in the first place - derr! ) and yes my spot is reserved

Question - I have booked my place but have opted to pay by money order, which it said I have 48 hours to do. Do I definitely have a spot then, or not until I've actually paid? I'm just worried places may sell out in the next 48 hours before I have a chance to pay??? When I log in to my newly-created account, it says "This order is marked as Awaiting Payment" I do not want to miss out that's all Can pop a money order in the post tomorrow!

Sorry if I've missed it somewhere, is there an approximate cost for the private consults?

Will most probably be there on Saint Bernard day - Friday the 10th

Thankyou to everyone for your responses. She lives in country SA, I don't know how many vets there would be near her, or how far away exactly, or if they'd be available for an emergency caesar at 1am on a Sunday! But yes definitely things she should be thinking about. Thankyou, I am trying That's what I was thinking too, if not now then next time. It's not fair on the bitch for one thing. Thanks for your input PF. Can I ask why you'd not tell the breeder? Would you want to know if you'd bred the dog? Genuine questions, thankyou in advance I like hearing the different perspectives that's all, it's helping me decide which direction to take here... I'm not sure if she has anyone knowledgeable who could step in or help her out, I don't think so though. That's why I'm trying to urge her to contact her breeder! If she doesn't, I am very tempted to. Thanks Michelle. At the moment I am leaning towards emailing them to let them know what I know. I don't think this comment was necessary. Thanks anyway, but I don't see this thread as me bitching about someone, I see it as me asking advice on what is the right thing for me to do, butt out or get more involved.

Willow I thought the same thing, she was happy to announce it to the facebook world and accept comments on it, although she has since deleted my comments from her status :D Probably because I was the only one making sense!!!!!

Hmmmm here's the latest: HER: we dont know how far along she is though, wouldnt there be a point where its too late for an injection? and its hard for us to just get down to adelaide to get (vet) to do it ME: How do you know she's preggers then? It's possible she's having a false pregnancy, their boobs can still swell etc and all the signs may be there. She needs an ultrasound or blood test to confirm one way or the other, neither should be too pricey. When did the Stafford mate with her? HER: not sure when he got through the fence, she only came off heat about 2 or 3 weeks ago... we are gonna take her to the vet soon for shots anyway so will ask em about it then *************** :D So she doesn't actually KNOW that the bitch is pregnant! So now I'm not sure if I should bother telling the breeder or not? If I do and the bitch is not pregnant, I sort of feel like I interferred for nothing If I don't say anything though and it turns out she IS pregnant, I may feel worse! Breeders, anyone, any advice? Sorry guys I'm just a bit torn on what to do.

Thanks Fifi. To be honest I'm not worried about ruining the relationship with her or anything, she was a friend in primary school, that is all, we are no longer what I'd call "friends", merely acqaintances who occassionally chat on facebook. I haven't seen her in years! Any advice on what to say to the breeder? As I don't really know them too well, I'm thinking email might be the go. That is a good idea, thankyou Golden Rules :D Even though I'm not too concerned what she thinks of me after this, as I know that I am only trying to do the right thing.

Thanks Ellz. I will try to find out how far along she is if I can. Thanks Rommi n Lewis. Her breed of dog is also one with a boofy head Recipe for disaster much!!! I don't know enough, but I am pretty sure her breed is not one that gives birth easily either, and can have large litters. To top it off, it's a large/giant breed, crossed with a Stafford :D At least the bitch is the large one, but surely the pups won't be sound? Hi Nickojoy. I am not a buyer from this particular breeder so cannot answer your question EXACTLY, but I can say that the breed is a large/giant breed, so perhaps the breeder tells their buyers to wait until a certain age before desexing? Like I said I don't KNOW that this is the case, I am only stipulating. Thanks for everyone's input. Some more conversation between her and I: HER: way to put a dampener on the situation, thanks for that and thanks for making me feel bad... like i said it wasnt our fault it was the dog next door! we had her contained as much as we could ME: "Contained as much as we could" isn't good enough though, did you know she was on heat? Do (breeder) and (breeder) know she's pregnant? HER: how is this any of ur business and why do u care... its not ur dog that this is happening to! its our problem and it happened theres not much we can do about it now, accidents happen ME: I care because I know the breeders, and they wouldn't want a dog of their breeding being crossbred. It's not safe to Lacey or to the potential pups. And there's plenty you can still do about it! If you contact (vet) he can fix this with a simple injection, much kinder to everyone really. I'll assume by your response that (breeder) doesn't know yet. I am not saying any of this to be nasty, quite the opposite! I care about dogs and the purebred dog world. I care that hundreds of thousands of puppies and dogs are put to sleep each year because no one wants them. Lacey may have 15 or more puppies! What will you do if you can't find homes for them? If you bring them into this world then you're responsible for them. A giant breed crossed with a smaller breed is a recipe for disaster, the pups will NOT be sound and will have joint issues at the very least, among other problems. No health testing has been conducted before the dogs were mated. Also do you know how to assist with a whelping? What do you do if something goes wrong? If a pup gets stuck and she needs an emergency caesar? You'd be up for thousands of dollars in vet bills among everything else. Raising puppies is not a walk in the park either. I'm trying to help you here. I know you may be excited by the thought of puppies but please look through that and please try to understand the points I am getting at, for Lacey's sake if nothing else. ************* Disclaimer! If I've said anything - eg. the hundreds of thousands PTS each year - that is incorrect, I'll apologise for it here on DOL but the aim was to shock her and make her think, my apologies if any of it isn't 100% accurate!

Ellz when you say "take her to the vet and have her needled" do you mean abort the pregnancy? (Sorry, not completely with all the lingo :D ) I'm not sure how many weeks she is, how far along can you safely abort puppies?

Ok now she's just sent me a private message: "way to put a dampener on the situation, thanks for that and thanks for making me feel bad... like i said it wasnt our fault it was the dog next door! we had her contained as much as we could" What do I reply to this girl?????????!!!!!!!!! Or should I not bother with her and go straight to the breeders? I wonder if she signed a contract with them that she was not to be bred from? Although I suppose it wouldn't be worth much :D

Steve so you're saying I should tell the breeders? Would an email suffice? Just an update of what she wrote on facebook: "we didnt purposely cross breed her cassie... the dog next door pushed our fence over to get to her when she was on heat, it was accidental" and I replied: "But that's why bitches on heat need to be properly contained, to prevent accidents from happening. What if she had of been injured during the mating or the tie? What if there are complications during whelping and you lose her? :D "

I will always buy puppies from registered breeders, always have, always will. My first dog was a Bernese Mountain Dog, and I was just lucky that I stumbled along the BMD club here in SA and met my fabulous breeder and the rest is history. At the time I didn't know about registered breeders or puppy farmers, I just knew what I wanted, and luckily I got onto someone who did everything perfectly :D My first Saint Bernard was from a registered breeder, but wasn't a great experience. I met several other LOVELY Saint people through sharing my stories here on the DOL forums though, and one in particular who has been an absolute angel to me (you know who you are ) and put me onto my current Saint breeder, who I couldn't be happier with and will hopefully be my mentor, as I hope to show my next pup and eventually breed.

I am in a slight predicament. A girl on my Facebook who I know from primary school has a purebred dog of a certain breed, which she got from a very well known and highly resepcted breeder. She's just posted a new facebook status: "If anyone in (her area) is interested in a pure bred (her breed) cross pure bred staffie pup we will have them in the near future... lacey is pregnant!!! they will be gorgeous pups" Sorry but I do not particularly want to say what her breed is, as it may very well give the breeders away and I don't want to do that publicly, but they are not common dogs. Current responses to her status are: "is this her first bunch of babies??" My "friend" :D wrote: "yeah her first.. and by accident lol" "Awwwwww can we have one?" And I've just written "What on earth, why would you crossbreed your pedigree girl? Do (breeder) and (breeder) know?" I know the breeders, sort of. Only through the dog world and not very well, although others here would, but what on earth should I do? Tell them? Butt out? Advice welcomed. EFS

Hahaha yeah I remember taking my furkids to puppy preschool and having to weigh them at the start of each lesson. The rest of the class consisted of Malt x Shih's and Oodles who would put on 200g or so a week, my guys were putting on 2-3kg!

Awesome age Photos are a must! What's his breeding? Happy birthday grand old fella

Ooooh Berner baby I love seeing groups of pures too!

How was your day everyone? And where are the pics