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If I recall Piper was ok for a period of time after the initial vet visit but then gradually went back to sore (as anti inflams wore off I guess). Hopefully it is nott he same for your girl though and it just remains one of those freak things that cant be explained but she is fine after. I agree with the chiro though - worth getting it looked at just in case. I did that with Piper too but gave the soft tissue injury time to settle first and she was out but then she could have been out anyway from agility or herding or just being a fool.

Scary TLC!!! Keep an eye on her, I went through a similar but different experience with Piper. Her was a hind leg injury but I thought she had broken her back initially too. Took her to the after hours vet and she brightened up on the way therem started wagging her tail which had been hanging limp and was happy to walk once we got there. Vet did a full exam and could not find anything specific. Same as you, she had a shot of anti inflams. Once we got home and she had been quiet for a day or so, she was still clearly in pain when she moved and could not get up on the lounge or bed. Ended up taking her to my own vet a couple of days after the incident. He diagnosed ligament damage and said it would be about 3 months before she was right but I would always have to be careful and mindful of it. He was right - it was 3 months before she was able to get on the bed or the lounge and 4 years later I am still mindful of things or else she will pull up sore but it is easily managed - we stopped doing agility as repetitive jumping is out and changed how I threw toys (same as you - it happened retrieving a toy, she seemed to twist oddly and then land funny). She still does herding and everything else we have always done and 95% time she is perfectly fine.

I posted this in the border collie thread but thought I would share here too This is Aretha - the puppy we ran on from my first litter. She is 4.5 months old and met sheep for the first time today. Initially she ran in and split them but once blocked a couple of times she quickly started circling both directions and would also drop and hold them. Jazz was very similar at the same age. Now to let her grow and mature before doing more with her and falling into the trap of too much too soon... Not bad for a baby!!

Damn it! I just found this.

I do know of 1 bitch that did this, even went so far as a little milk in nipples. She was a rescue taken in at the end of her season. They then waited a few weeks before desexing, the vet put it down to all the changes that had gone on around her.

I never needed it but I got the Leerburg recipe and had everything on hand for that. I actually made 1 batch up when we had nesting signs as a just in case. I then used that for Jazz for the first few days, she loved it. Can;t say how it would have gone with puppies but I decided on it as I had seen it recommended here.

Still worth contacting as they do transport as well and have contacts in other cities. They were able to help me get a pup from Adelaide to Sydney with exceptional service and a much better price than Jetpets and far better service than Dogtainers who never bothered to return any of my calls/emails or another company *whose name escapes me right now) who also never returned a call. They were in constant contact with me, checked that everything was ok when I got to the airport and that there had been no problems dropping off and then again when the flight had landed they followed up to make sure there were no hassles with collection. I could not be happier with the service I received.

Well done Mirawee - 198 with a dog you don't normally work is quite a brag!!

Well done to the WAers, some amazing brags there!!

Thanks Janba. I have no idea what went on - we have worked in that paddock, on those sheep. It just started to feel the more problems we had the worse it go so I stopped using her before I totally blew her confidence. She is definitely far more sensitive to odd little things than Piper is.

I put this in the herding thread but decided it needed sharing here as well. So proud of Piper tonight: On the up, Piper at 10.5 years put in 2 pretty good runs for 2 passes and gained her HSBs title from the only 3 B course trials we have held in SA. Her first run was ratty but her second run was pretty good. If I could just get the pen happening more smoothly her 86.5 would have been a much better score (7 off at the pen!) She also gained high in trial from her first ratty run as the only pass in the morning trial. The second pass of the day was bittersweet and left me with a few tears as that was Piper's last ever Competitive sheep run. She has been an amazing dog to train and trial for my first herding dog and together we have learnt so much and gained so much more than I ever would have expected. At 10.5, with a rear leg issue and a 6 month break until our next trials, I think that intermediate will be too big an ask so will finish her here on this positive note. The dog that I retired last year has now gained her HXAd and HSBs this year, we will still continue with ducks but sheep and the longer outruns and speed to cover put too much stress on her back leg and she couldn't sit or drop by her second run today. As always though she gave me her all and never showed any sign of pain and as she will literally work on 3 legs, I have made the decision I think is best for her. I am a very proud Mum tonight of Piper - Agile Draw CD AD JD HIAs HXAd HSBs. In addition, SA has run 3 types of ANKC herding trials (A sheep, A ducks and B sheep) Piper has competed in the first trial of each of these. She was the first ANKC registered dog to gain a herding trial title in SA, the first of any register to gain a duck title and has gone on to be the only 1 to title at intermediate and advanced in SA and today became the first ANKC register dog to gain a B course title in SA.

It is the last trial for the year here in SA this weekend. Today we had 2 x B Course trials on sheep and tomorrow 2 x A sheep. I haven't got anyone entered for tomorrow but had Jazz in 1 run today and Piper in 2 runs. Jazz was first run of the day and was stock dog after that. It was a day of ups and downs. Things went pear shaped on Jazz's run right from the beginning and in hind sight I should have done 2 things - not send her when I did and then also give her longer before withdrawing her. I then used her as stock dog and she decided she couldn't cover 1 side with the strong draw, no idea why, it has not been an issue before. She is not normally 1 sided. Ended up getting another dog to act as stock dog for the second trial as she started crossing when I asked her to go to her suddenly non preferred side and was just getting worse and worse (and me more and more frustrated and so the vicious circle started ) On the up, Piper at 10.5 years put in 2 pretty good runs for 2 passes and gained her HSBs title from the only 3 B course trials we have held in SA. Her first run was ratty but her second run was pretty good. If I could just get the pen happening more smoothly her 86.5 would have been a much better score (7 off at the pen!) She also gained high in trial from her first ratty run as the only pass in the morning trial. The second pass of the day was bittersweet and left me with a few tears as that was Piper's last ever Competitive sheep run. She has been an amazing dog to train and trial for my first herding dog and together we have learnt so much and gained so much more than I ever would have expected. At 10.5, with a rear leg issue and a 6 month break until our next trials, I think that intermediate will be too big an ask so will finish her here on this positive note. The dog that I retired last year has now gained her HXAd and HSBs this year, we will still continue with ducks but sheep and the longer outruns and speed to cover put too much stress on her back leg and she couldn't sit or drop by her second run today. As always though she gave me her all and never showed any sign of pain and as she will literally work on 3 legs, I have made the decision I think is best for her. I am a very proud Mum tonight of Piper - Agile Draw CD AD JD HIAs HXAd HSBs.

None of my guys have ever liked raw fish. I did get Jazz to eat them once but then she threw them up in the middle of my bed so I never tried again!! I use home brand sardines in either tomato sauce or oil or tuna in oil. They love any of them.

Ness - I tried with Piper once, only it was not the straight track one. She loved it but she worked out after a couple of runs to cut across the track and wait for the lure, lol. Straight track would probably be better for a smart arse BC.

I didn't think you would be jumping him but I always think it is worth mentioning as you never know who may do a search and read and take what you said to mean doing all of the equipment and think it is a great idea, when if isn't. Maybe you could invest in some good training DVDs and build some equipment and use those in conjunction with traveling to class just once every few weeks to keep you on track? There are are some great DVDs out there like 2x2 weaving that you can easily do at home or Success With 1 jump. Others will probably have some good suggestions too.

Elise, Please be careful with a puppy and those parks. If it is anything like the 1s around here, the equipment is awful and not at all safe. Also remember your lovely boy is still growing so should not be encouraged to go over jumps. (Not saying you are doing this, but just in case...) The other thing is if, if you do want to go on and do formal agility later a lot of bad habits can be learnt. It is an awful lot harder to retrain/modify a behaviour than start if from scratch.

Love it Snook!! Where did you get it?

It is a national rule that an animal is not to be led while on a bike but it does seem to vary as to how it is policed. I know when someone contacted the local police about it they told her it wasn't a rule and were surprised to find it was. LOL. Most people I know of that do it stay away from main/busy roads and have the dogs well under control. I think if you do that you are less likely to have issues, if however you have a dog trying to yank the lead out of your hand and drag you along as it goes to chase after cars/cats etc well that is a different story.

I'm another who had great service and an excellent price with Wayrod. The business name is mooreholme park boarding kennel. They are in Melbourne but flights do not have to be in or out of Melbourne for him to help. I flew a pup Adelaode to Sydney and he arranged everything, including freight of a brand new crate to be waiting at Adelaide for me when I arrived with the pup.

As soon as you get them home. They may have ever started before you got them. With my recent litter I made the environment such that they started to develop a good body awareness very early on - they had stuff to step onto, over, into, a wobble board to go over, ladder on the ground all for them to explore as they played during the day. A few people commented how well coordinated they seemed to be and I noticed it as well - they seemed to have a lot more confidence and body awareness than I would have expected for their age.

And I'm sure the dogs enjoyed a day out with their very busy Dad too

Well done on the title Sherlot. I am amazed you even made it to the trial after your big week

I bet it alters people's perception of her and they don't consider her anywhere near as threatening with floppy ears as they would if she had pointy ears. And that looks like a Pugsley keeping her company

I must admit I did look at the video and her barking at you when you asked her to do things and thought it looked awfully familiar!!

Ness, You should be so proud of what Kenzie gave you. As someone who has seen where you have come from, I think it needs to be said that you have done a wonderful job with her.