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I don't doubt you in the least.

Thats not the only problem I have but its the main one. Under the system as it stands there is nothing there that is going to make any distinction between you and a puppy farmer and every day the line in the sand is less and less obvious. The days of people assuming because you are a registered breeder you are in some way better than any other person who mates a dog and has a litter of puppies is long gone. The days of people assuming that because you are a registered breeder you are covering the bases and breeding better dogs is well and truly out the window. Those breeders who show their dogs and think that any thing thats said is about other people and not them because they are automatically superior still havent worked out that its them and their dogs which are being spoken of as being less healthy and they are being seen to be less ethical than any group. There is no point in trying to turn it around by applying pressure to the Canine Councils to amend their codes of conduct because its already been tested and they cannot stop people from selling their puppies to pet shops, they cant stop them from breeding designer dogs,they cannot stop them from breeding more than they should. If they dont know what I know they are pretty slow and that is that if they bring in many more regulations and bullshit rules their members will walk away in droves,so they are not going to go after mandatory testing and even if they do it comes down to what it is in the breeds that are already there. What is the point in making a breeder pay big bucks to test their stock when there is no restriction on what scores or results have to be eliminated from the gene pool and if there were the gene pool would be reduced and ruined anyway ? So from where I sit there are a couple of options but if I want to remain breeding registered dogs and not be seen to be swimming in the same pond as registered breeders who suck there are only 2 that I can see. 1 is to start a new registry and the other is to belong to a group which is more selective about who gets in and how they stay in based on what I think is ethical and leave the Canine Councils to do the only thing that they were ever set up to do and the only thing in my opinion they have ever been successful at. Keeping a record of births and organising dog shows. If their attempts at animal welfare are reliant on advice from people who dont now, nor ever have, bred a puppy, who want dogs treated like people when they are being bred and if their actions are motivated by politcal motives rather than what truly is best for dogs they should get the hell out of that part of the game because they are doing more harm than good. That's not likely so we go back to the beginning again. The MDBA. The MDBA will never back putting more quasi police powers in the hands of the RSPCA while ever there is no legitimate way for ordinary every day pet owners to have methods of defending themselves in line with natural justice as they do in every other circumstance in a democracy.The MDBA will not back laws which are in conflict with what is best for the species and remove the rights of their owners. Someone somewhere said that its cruel to debark dogs so we need council permission for our vets to do that - we cannot decide with our vet until we prove we have tried all manner of things to avoid it and yet we can ask our vet to kill them and we dont need council approval to do that - yet. How on earth did these crap laws ever get past go let alone make the RSPCA the policeman - and if you cant ping them because they debarked without council approval make crimminals out of them because they take em to a dog show? You have to be kidding! If thats not a demonstration that we have enough laws and enough powers to the RSPCA may God help us. No more laws- police the ones we have and realise that the people who are pushing for more laws are the ones responsible for the very things they call cruel happening. Well by what you and i believe of the Pure Bred Dog World it is in a rather sad and sorry state. It is almost like being caught between a rock and a hard place. If I give up and walk away it means that the Animal Libbers have won. If I stay and do as I am told I will be brought down by Rules and Regulations. Maybe it's time to bring the horse out of hibernation and bye bye dog world. Yes, give up and let 40 years go down the gurgler. Well at least I will have another hobby to fall back on, do the rest of you have one ?.

Stealing this from a thread the other day Take a Bex and good lay down. Alls well that ends well.

Octavia we see where you are coming from and wonder the same things , but negativity is not getting us anywhere. Please try and think positively, we as breeders need all the help that can be given just to survive.

Good on you LizT. LizT, always start out breeding the way you would like to finish...........ethically.

Steve Hi, I agree with every word you have written. It's true and it's fact and I have no problem with it. The only problem that I have, is people classing me and many other Registered Breeders that don't deserve it as "Puppy farmers". We are NOT all tarred with the one brush. Any scheme that comes in I will pass with flying colours, as will you, and so many of the other Registered Breeders out there. What ever comes in as Rules and Regulations will possibly not effect me, because by the time this happens I may not be Breeding due to my age and situation, but I reserve the right to be able to fight for a fair deal for those that may wish follow in my footsteps. By the way, for those of you out there that believe I have a big kennel, I don't. I have three bitches, 2 Whippets and 1 Italian Greyhound. One Whippet that has been bred once, and I have her daughter, so far she has not been bred with and will be 4 years old next February. The Italian has also not been bred with. These dogs live in the house with me. If every body was as open as me, maybe there would not be as many problems out there with breeders as there is today. I am just so sick and tired of all the Rules and Regulations being heaped upon Breeders that do no harm to anybody. Because of these Puppy Farmers that have have emerged, why do the many Ethical Registered Breeders have to suffer for the Puppy Farmers crimes ?. Steve, you are a breeder youself and know what I am talking about. I also applaud the work you and your band of followers do to help the Pure Bred Dog World.

Go tell the the local Councils / Shires to do their jobs and close down the ones that do not come up to the standards set down by them. The majority of Registered ANKC Breeders these days do not own enough bitches to come under scrutiny. Those that own more would come under council/shire regulations.

You said this............And just cos you say you're ethical does not make you so. Just as saying you're registered does not make you so. Well I am Ethical and Registered with my Controlling Body and I object most strongly to being likened to a Puppy Farmer along with many others that are as ethical as I am.

And a no from me to.

So what you are really saying is that you don't care that those of us that are ethical breeders, and there are thousands of us, get lumped into the same basket as Puppy Farmers.

Well, I'm not quite sure who you're really addressing here. Future buyers of puppies? Registered breeders have their canine councils, lobby them to act on your behalf, isn't that why you elect them? Registered breeders have to fight the fight themselves, they have to stand up and separate themselves.....in the eyes of the puppy buying public....from puppy farms, backyard breeders etc. And they have to tell the public loud and clear why it's better to buy a puppy from them. I'm talking to ALL the people and that includes you.. So, are you all going let the animal libbers walk all over you. To be truthful it won't effect me because when all this eventuates I will not be breeding, I am just doing my best to see that any breeders that follow after me will have the right to breed should they wish to do so. If the animal libbers have their way their will be no breeders left, not even Ethical Registered ones. Or.............. will the only ones left be the Puppy Farmers that have the money to stand up and fight.

No. Not the case as we the members have not been officially notified of any such decision.

Bump Come on people are you going to let the animal libbers get away with including Registered Ethical Breeders in this presentation to the Government. Where will you go for your beautiful pets when all breeding has been closed down. Registered Ethical breeders were not specifically excluded from this bill. Again I ask where will you go to purchase healthy genetically tested dogs from, if we the registered breeders, and I mean registered with the Controlling Body of our state of Residence, are not permitted to breed ???????????.

You get them all the time just delete them.

Well it has been some time since this Rally was held and we have had a lot of discussion about it and some time to give it a lot of private thought. Has anyone come up with some thoughts as to a counter action ? or are you prepared to let the matter rest.

Who knows ....each one is an individual. I would put her pants back on and make her wear them. They get used to them in time. We often have a few problems when we first put them on. Being a long coat she may be better off wearing the specially made ones.

Congratulations on the new babies.

Thanks for that.

That's good. Best wishes to you both.

Basically yes,. Though you do get colour changes and by the third week some are well on the way to being out of season. Then we have the ones that stay in for 28 days or more. I would be keeping her under lock and key if she were mine. If you are not a registered breeder with your state controlling body I would be considering getting her de sexed in about 6 weeks time.

How was she when you went home at lunch time ?.

Obviously I'm not Rebanne but I am a smoker and I can assure you I've never smoked in a non-smoking area, be that outside in a theme park (recent trip to Disneyland saw us heading to the designated areas) or inside a motel room. What a stupid thread, no doubt the OP set out to get a bite...almost trolling :rolleyes: If they were, they got more than they bargained for.

And now we all know why we can't get accommodation with dogs.

You beat me to it ReadySetGo. It's people like you lot, that that sneak dogs into rooms that stuff it all up for those that do the right thing. We need accommodation when we travel to shows you know. Because of people like you, that do the wrong thing we are refused accommodation even when the dogs are in cars or the dog trailer. If you can't accommodate your dogs while traveling don't take them. :D Good lord! You are both jumping onto something that is NOT the cause of not being able to have multiple dogs at motels. I understand you may be very frustrated and this thread triggers it BUT we are often single dog owners on odd occasions (and hey, I haven't even done it yet, why am I so worried). You need to both take a deep breath... It is all too serious and frankly sneaking a little muttley into a motel overnight, once every two years is not a reason to go all crazy! Excuse me that is exactly the cause. Go and ask a few Motel owners why they they won't even allow people with dog trailers to stay. WE are the ones that know what's happening, WE are the one's looking for accommodation when we are traveling to and from to shows. I can accomodate my single small, house-trained, indoor dog when travelling...in a motel. No one will know he is there, the room should be properly cleaned and linen changed when we leave, he sleeps in his bed on the floor...so it is easy. With a trailer full of dogs it is not so easy to be discrete and multiple dogs may make more noise (potentially) so get off your high horses. You don't seem to have any ability to think. Own your irritation with the difficulty of getting accommodation with your dogs BUT don't blame me. i am actually in the same situation as you in being discriminated against. Sorry I started this thread...should have known how DOL goes by now No, it is caused by people like you sneaking dogs into rooms and doing the wrong thing, that has caused the problem. I personally have never had a dog in a Motel room EVER.