oakway

But thats really the whole point - if they felt it was needed why didn't they just make it a change to the COE for everyone? Why did they set a system up which made it look like they allowed members who were rotten and why did they set a system up which sees puppies being regsitered by some who may not be doing the right thing Why didnt they just tell them to bugger off , that we were all doing the right thing and if we dont they will chuck us out ? Why did they play this game? It cant be for more money. Time will tell but now its done sooner or later breeders will give in and pay the money tick the boxes or be seen to be lesser breeders.Would have been different if no one joined but looks to me like its a run away train. Its a done deal and accredited breeders are being promoted over any others even though any one who can read can still see they dont have to do anything more than they do now. Whats more they can still sell to pet shops and still breed crossbred dogs and still breed hundreds of puppies each year. Then they would all need to be transparent and screened regularly - something they seem to be dodging. You see, it's not just the application and it's components, it's the ongoing monitoring and screening which is designed to keep everyone on the straight and narrow. Those not keeping up with standards will be given the opportunity to change, and be more closely screened in the process. Those that refuse will then be dealt with accordingly. Canine control councils presently only act on (some) complaints. This is an ongoing monitoring and screening independant of personal grudges and breeder jealousy as is sometimes the case in complaints being received by CCC to date. If you've ever been involved with accreditation in the care industry, you will also know that it is taken very very seriously because passing accreditation means they can continue to operate. I see no reason why breeder accreditation should be treated any less seriously. It may well be feared by those who fully understand the process and who are not confident in maintaining it. Personally I believe that every registered breeder ought to be under an accreditation scheme. I'm actually hoping that this is a prelude to the need for accreditation, but not until we've got the unregistered breeders monitorable and answerable. Indeed the State register may well be a pathway to more people taking their breeding seriously and becoming accredited. Wouldn't that be wonderful. Well that just about lets me out. After 40 odd years I am just about to give up. Sick to death of people that may have never bred a litter and wouldn't have a clue telling me what to do. I don't need to be accredited I have satisfied client coming back with their friends and family for pups all the time (not that I breed enough to fill the orders). People that have dealt with me, and pass my name onto others as as good and ethical dealer. Who need acreditation. Also we are dealing with dogs not the aged care system. From me who is about to go to the airport to collect a hopefully pregnant Whippet. As you have have not said if you are employed by Dogs Queensland are you RSPCA ?.

I wouldnt take that much notice of what breeders who havent joined have to say. Ask the ones who have and also understand that they will be promoting this to puppy buyers and regardless of what the breeders who dont or cant join have to say that may just make the difference. If you are concerned about what other breeders might think of you if you do - forget that they will find numerous other things whether you're in or out. Its nice to know the difference between me being ethical and unethical is simply $22. :rolleyes: What a crock!!!!!! Yes Jed - I agree that you can't make people change their ethics unless they choose to, however, there is nothing wrong in creating a system which highlights those with ethics in order to give the general public a measure. The focus on the (incorrect) fee as a means to accreditation means that the person doing so hasn't fully taken on board the requirements of accreditation, but hey, if they choose not to do so, it is their bag. The application is not the entire scheme - it is merely entry into it. If the breeders of long standing who believe they're the ants pants are too high and mighty for screening, then perhaps they're a little afraid they might be nudged off their pedestals, instead of seeing it as confirmation of what they're claiming. I can only repeat my previous quote. WHAT, two letters from puppy buyers and one from the vet, and pay the fee. You know what that say's, the puppy purchaser ........... it says I had better give them a letter because if I don't and want another puppy off them they might not sell it to me. The vet......gee they spend a lot of money here better give them the letter or they may go else where. I repeat. If you want the the accreditation scheme to work, then let Dogs Queensland award this title to the breeders who have always done the right thing and produced puppies for the betterment of the breed. If the word accredited is to be used then let it be a standard of achievement to be work for and awarded. Not handed out because your mates have given you a reference and you paid the fee. oakway Posted 1st Feb 2011 - 08:29 AM What is need is a scheme that awards breeders for doing the right thing in regards to the their chosen breed and the purchasers.

Listen here,I am getting mad, are you in any way suggesting that because I have have not applied for the word accreditation that I am unethical ?. Because I can produce records from around the world from the owners of BIS winners that will. When myself and other breeders of our chosen breed have busted our guts to improve the breed and do the right thing by all purchasers. By the way I am may have not been living in this state when word accredid was intoduced. I am not sure when the scheme came in.

If you want the the accreditation scheme to work, then let Dogs Queensland award this title to the breeders who have always done the right thing and produced puppies for the betterment of the breed. If the word accredited is to be used then let it be a standard of achievement to be work for and awarded. Not handed out because your mates have given you a reference and you paid the fee.

The mail from Wags, The very letters RSPCA makes me want to run a mile. What we are trying to tell you, is that accredited does not make a breeder a better breeder. The public thinks that accredited means better, in some cases this is not so.

But thats really the whole point - if they felt it was needed why didn't they just make it a change to the COE for everyone? Why did they set a system up which made it look like they allowed members who were rotten and why did they set a system up which sees puppies being regsitered by some who may not be doing the right thing Why didnt they just tell them to bugger off , that we were all doing the right thing and if we dont they will chuck us out ? Why did they play this game? It cant be for more money. Time will tell but now its done sooner or later breeders will give in and pay the money tick the boxes or be seen to be lesser breeders.Would have been different if no one joined but looks to me like its a run away train. Its a done deal and accredited breeders are being promoted over any others even though any one who can read can still see they dont have to do anything more than they do now. Whats more they can still sell to pet shops and still breed crossbred dogs and still breed hundreds of puppies each year. True.

I wouldnt take that much notice of what breeders who havent joined have to say. Ask the ones who have and also understand that they will be promoting this to puppy buyers and regardless of what the breeders who dont or cant join have to say that may just make the difference. If you are concerned about what other breeders might think of you if you do - forget that they will find numerous other things whether you're in or out. Its nice to know the difference between me being ethical and unethical is simply $22. :D What a crock!!!!!! I think you have put it in a nut shell. I think that's what I have been trying to say.

I forgot to say in my prior post. What if every breeder in Queensland becomes accredited ?. That puts us all back on the same level. Oh well back to square one and a lot more money in Dogs Queensland pockets.

Lets look at this from my side of the fence. I have been breeding for many, many years along with a lot of others on this list. We are good ethical breeders and would do no person any harm if they came to us to purchase. I, along with others have winning dogs around the world. Our dogs speak for themselves and so do our reputations, to put it plainly, we keep our noses clean, and do harm to any body else, even though we may get dumped on from a dizzy height by others who do not, or may never breed the quality some of us do. Why should we, the people that do no wrong, need to be accredited ?. Just because Dogs Queensland offer this accredited scheme doesn't mean we have join it. No matter how many people get accreditation, it does not guarantee you getting a better quality puppy from an accredited breeder. Being accredited does not mean the accredited person will breed better puppies. It just means that they have fulfilled the list of requirements set out by Dogs Queensland and paid the fee. There are many of us that raise an eyebrow when we hear who has accreditation, there are many us that could not recommend some accredited breeders.

As a prior owner and breeder of greyhounds I would never allow a grey to go to any property without full fencing. The sorrow and heartbreak it can bring is just not worth it.

I saw Paul May in the ring shooting. Their were some other people in the ring but I think they may have been associated with the some of the judges. Some shots were also done from the night before shows as some of the coated breed had damp coats and were not looking their best for photos and were done last night.

My sentiments exactly.

Would a donation or two of suits be acceptable.

Why not, My girl friend and I love making mince meat our these iodiot's

Oh, silver dog I love you. When I'm stopped by one of these people asking for donations, and I am offered a pound rescue, I will use that saying. :D

Oh yes becks didn't you know we are all in it for the money. Now let me think. Air fares to the dog The stud fee Air fares home The vets fees The vets fees The vets fees Whelping supply fee (includes all types of things for whelping) Emergency C section out of hours Only two in the litter Vet fees for pups Registration Micro chipping Only one pup for sale Now let re think that ...Yes becks your right we are all in it for the money. :D :D

Mmmmmmmm I think I would say that I would be most happy to return the dog to you, but unfortunately as you are aware it died three years ago. If all else fails I would seek legal advise.

Because I like to go and enjoy myself. I look after dogs 24/7 and I need a break. If and when I can get a holiday, I like to do it a long way from home.

Off to the vet straight away.

+1 Try further a field, you might have to try Bundy.

Bitches in whelp and feeding puppies need a complete diet not puppy food. Puppy food is for puppies not bitches raising a litter. :p

+1 Rimadyl has caused death in some dogs. All my dogs vet cards are marked NO Rimadyl. http://www.cactuscanyon.com/syn-flex-flexicose-safe.htm

The word terrier has been dropped from the Maltese. This was dropped quite a while ago.

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