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Maybe the dog is not hungry enough.

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Go for it cavNrott, I totally agree "if ait broke" Why would any body want to change from what works for them. I didn't even know a product was available of this nature untill I read it on another list. I do feed bones so don't have a problem with the Whippets. I also feed bones to the Italian but on a smaller scale. Now this is where the problem arises for me, it's not her back teeth that I have the problem with its the front ones and keeping them clean. Upon hearing about a product that may help, I went for it. Who knows? your product may work better and if this one doesn't I will out to get the one you use. Also I have an Iggy coming into Quarantine and thought this product would be great to send down to be placed in her food and save me the cost of having to pay someone to go in and clean her teeeth. ;) (those that are importing or have imported know what I mean)

Hi all, the ProDen PlaqueOff has arrived. So no problems with customs. I will start with it tonight and let you all know what the results are. By the way great service, about 10 day delivery time from the UK.

Yep, correct. I forgot about the thyroid bit. But then I have known dogs that have thyroid problems that are on seaweed/kelp products to no detriment what so ever. But then as we all know every dog is different. I also suspect the that the waring is there to protect the manufacturer just in case.

Go for it if you can get it easily. I didn't even know that a similar product was available. I will wait for mine and let you all know the results. It is supposed to work in days by just placing a tiny amount on the food. As I am now starting into Toys, it will, I hope, make life easier on me and the Iggies. I am just hoping that the daily brushing may turn into much less.

The product I first posted about is called Pro Den Plaque Off and as far as I am aware it is made in Sweden and is made from Seaweed. The product that is ordered and on the way is the same product. The distributer at the world show told a person with the same breed as me that it would be available in Aust. in the future and would be distributed by Troy. I know no more than that sorry. I do know that the deal I got on the product was a great one that's why it was purchased.

Is it different to the one CavNrott refers to? I'm interested in the product for my boy too. Not sure how tolerant he would be in relation to its ingestion, but who knows .... it might even be a good thing. I'm struggling to keep his teeth clean - back teeth are the biggest problem. Doing all the teeth cleaning etc. As far as I am aware the one I got a friend to purchase for me is made in Sweden.

The particular one I have purchased is not available in Aust. as yet. As far as I am aware. It is made from seaweed. It was only discovered at the world dog show so I was told. The distributers said it was not available in Aust as yet. When it is it is supposed to be distributed by Troy.

If it is being distributed here in Aust. It should get through customs. (I hope.)

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I will let you know how it goes through customs as I have two jars on the way. As it is seaweed I wood not think of problems, but wo knows. I did ask about it on an American list and was told would not be with out it. I have already been informed that it will be available in Aust soon and it will be realeased by the Troy company. If you are interested in the product please shop around on the internet, I have purchased mine off e bay UK.

If anyone is interested. Here is the site for the Plaque remover. http://www.plaqueoff.com/for-animals

My thoughts to.

I think you have hit the nail on the head. :D

It is thought that a vaccinated dog may shed the virus. I have always been told not to vaccinate when you have young puppies around. I don't remember when or where I was told but it has always stuck in my mind.

This I have been breeding Standard Poodles for nearly 20 years - could not imagine having so many dogs - if your dogs are not part of your family & the litters personally overseen by you then, in MY opinion, you are a Puppy Farmer I agree with both posts qouted, well said. Sorry but I believe the comments that are made here are just not fair. I would like to remind all of you that until man took over the canine they all lived in pack away from man. Just because we have people around the world that manage large numbers of dogs does not mean they are wrong. It just means that they are more capable of coping with larger numbers than some others. It does not mean that they are Puppy Farmers it just mean that they are capable and financially able to do so. Also I would like to remind all of you that to my knowledge that the word Puppy Farmer has not been defined and I would refrain from accusing people of being one, because if you don't you could end up in court. The OP asked if that amount of dogs was to many. I said no, (I think) it depends on the way they are are looked after. If these supposed dogs are well housed and cared for and go on to support other members of the family then thank your lucky stars because your taxes will not be going to support them in unemployment. Yes, it's a fact that for many, many years families around the world have made a living breeding dogs. Yes, even the Romans before they invaded Briton.

A very brave and correct decision was made by the family to put Dusty down, now that more facts have been realeased about this disease.

Look at my post & you'll see that I said socialisation was the key....however many dogs someone has. And, without socialisation, which prepares dogs to be companions alongside humans & their various lifestyles... breeding dogs is farming. 'Farming' puppies is producing a physical product. 'Raising' puppies is producing animals that will share humans' lives in some capacity, by way of stimulating hard-wired social learning in a variety of contexts. There's sound, rigorous scientific research on this point. By following that state-of-the-art knowledge base... the Military Dog Unit at Amberley has developed a superb model for socialising the dogs they breed with.....& the puppies they breed. They know what 'hard-wiring' means & what is the 'critical learning period'. The description of what they do is precisely how all dogs should be bred & raised (not farmed). Whether a SWF intended to be a lap dog or a Belgian Shepherd intended to walk beside a soldier. My question of the OP case was, 'How can those 84 dogs be socialised?' In answer, shrieks of silence rent the air. Go ask the owner of the 84 dogs Mita, no one here KNOWS how his dogs live, or what their daily routine is you are all just assuming. I can't tell you how or if he does it, all I know is what was written here just like everyone else. However many large breeders have for generations managed to raise happy healthy pups sound in mind and body, I have seen it, I have lived with the pups they have bred. If the DOL brains trust doesn't believe it is possible, that's too bad. Some breeders do actually take what they do pretty bloody seriously and make sure they do the best by the pups they breed. There is no one single correct way, every breeder large or small does things differently, just like we raise our children. Some people have hired help, some have family help, some enlist the help of neighbourhood kids to play with pups. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Obviously, nothing. You seem to believe that socialisation & being winners in the showring are incompatible. I own purebred Aus Ch dogs from breeders who socialised them well. One all the way from Sweden. What more do I want? What I already have. I asked you what socialisation has to do with the quality of a brood bitches and the quality of their pups. I never said anything about the two being incompatable you did that.

Look at my post & you'll see that I said socialisation was the key....however many dogs someone has. And, without socialisation, which prepares dogs to be companions alongside humans & their various lifestyles... breeding dogs is farming. 'Farming' puppies is producing a physical product. 'Raising' puppies is producing animals that will share humans' lives in some capacity, by way of stimulating hard-wired social learning in a variety of contexts. There's sound, rigorous scientific research on this point. By following that state-of-the-art knowledge base... the Military Dog Unit at Amberley has developed a superb model for socialising the dogs they breed with.....& the puppies they breed. They know what 'hard-wiring' means & what is the 'critical learning period'. The description of what they do is precisely how all dogs should be bred & raised (not farmed). Whether a SWF intended to be a lap dog or a Belgian Shepherd intended to walk beside a soldier. My question of the OP case was, 'How can those 84 dogs be socialised?' In answer, shrieks of silence rent the air. Pardon me, but what has socialisation got to do with me breeding my bitches. I have mostly lived in a country situation where the dogs see very few people. Does not mean they are not excellent top rate brood bitches. Their pups have been top winners around the world. What more do you want!!!!.

well you never know .... heat them up and they may just change colour. ;) Oops, wait while I pop one in the micro ware. :rofl:

For goodness sake stop and think for a while. How do you think the big kennels around the world survived. Some of the big breeding kennels in the UK survived very well and so do the dogs. Just because people live more urban lives these days in Aust. doesn't mean that some of the big kennels havent survived around the world. It can be nothing to some people to own many dogs and cope well and the dogs cope well too. Don't forget some of the big kennels are owned by wealthy people. Some of these kennels supply some of our top winning show dogs. Without these kennels how would we replace our gene pool.

Not necessarily many of the big kennels may keep many small breed dogs. It's the care and nutrition that is more important than the numbers.