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You know, really it all boils down to which state you live in and what there rules are in regards to WHO is supposed to pay the transfer fee. In Qld I HAVE to pay the fee so I send the papers to DOGS QLD. If I didn't have to pay the Transfer fee I would just send you the sign registration papers.

Hi all, I think we may all be talking about two different things. If the dog is in your name on your registration papers you do not need to transfer to the state you live. When I transferred to another state I still showed the dogs on Queensland papers. I did not transfer the dogs to that states papers. I did of course get membership of that state. So what I said originally is correct. As long as the dog is in your name it does not matter what state the papers were issued in. If the previous owners name is on the papers and they have signed them, you have to forward them to Dogs Vic for a transfer. Yes, I wish we only had ONE controlling body.

So when did the rules change ??? I have shown plenty of dogs all transfered into my name on interstate papers. (infact I have set before me at the moment) I never had to put them on Qld papers.

A few things depend on what will happen. 1. If the prior owners pays the transfer into your name and address. (I have had dogs in my name on Victorian papers but registered to me at my address in Queensland). No you do not have to transfer to Victorian Papers. 2. If you are paying the transfer fee and have the signed registration papers you will have to forward them to Dogs Vic with the appropriate fee with all the details filled for your self. (see cost on their web site) 3. You must be a fully paid financial member of your states controlling body to show your dog. Good Luck with your new venture.

I am betting you don't have a entire male that is unshowable when there are in season bitch's near? I think the first time you do, you might change your opinion. You can not train against instinct and some dogs have a stronger drive than others. Bitch's have to stay home for 2 weeks a year, surely that is not too much to ask. Sorry but I show bitches in full season and travel my males with her and they show well. I can guarantee you that I have taken home said bitch and mated her to said dog and travelled them again the next day and shown both with no problems what so ever. It's a show ring and the dogs are trained to show. I just think it's all in the training. I have had friends come up and ask if they can give the dog a good wif of her because he shows better. It can work both ways.

I wrote the rules for the points system and the title and have had more experience running shows than I care to remember. The rest of the Neuter class regulations had already been in place for 9 years before the points and titles were added, and it may have incorrectly assumed that the classes would run correctly. Seeing that there is such a variation in how the classes are being offered and the possibilty that as more clubs offer them, the more variation there could be I will draft a set of guidelines and forward them to the member bodies. Yes and you did a dam good job.

Just to let you know ethical breeders do also advertise on the sites you quoted. I know because I am one of them. :D Exactly it is not WHERE a Breeder advertises it is how they raise their pups and how they choose the puppy buyers for their pups that counts. x3 Most people have no idea where to find ethical registered breeders but will go to gumtree, trading post etc because that's where they buy other things. If good breeders don't advertise on these sites then well meaning people who don't quite grasp the difference between an ethical breeder and a registered breeder will get ripped off. I advertise where-ever I can to try and get the widest audience for my pups - it's all in the checking that goes on afterwards that counts. Unfortunately the vast majority of pups in my breed advertised on THIS site are dodgy BYBer's pumping out sub standard rubbish for huge money, so that's no recommendation! x 4

We have only heard the OP's side of the story. Maybe they were very rude to the Transport Company. That's why I only commented on the transport side of matters. Of course, that's why I said they "may" need to improve their customer service. I can only go on the information I have I also added that I had heard good things about them. I hardly bagged the company out. I never said you did. I just want to point out that we have only heard one side of the story.

We have only heard the OP's side of the story. Maybe they were very rude to the Transport Company. That's why I only commented on the transport side of matters.

If there are multiple neuter classes then yes there could be class run offs in breed. Lets take the what I would love to see, all 4 neuter classes are offered and there is at least 1 dog and 1 bitch in each class. All of the neuter dog classes are run, the winners of each class then compete for the Neuter Certificate(NC). The judge awards the NC, the second place winner from the NC's class (if there is one)enters the ring. The judge then awards the reserve. The bitch classes then have there turn. The Dog NC and the Bitch NC compete for BNoB, the reserve from the BNoB's sex enters the ring for R/up BNoB. The BNoB and R/up BNoB automatically win their class in breed. If the BNoB comes out of Open Neuter and the R/up comes out of Puppy Neuter then the dog and bitch winners in Junior Neuter run off for Junior Nueter in breed. The same for Intermediate Neuter. The class winners from each of the 4 neuter classes in breed would then compete for their Class in Group against the class winners from every other breed in the group. Ditto for classes in show. The difference between Neuter classes and Entire classes is there is no Best Neuter in Group (or Show) that directly coincides with the Best in Group or Best in Show awards. Could this situation change? Yes Keep your eye on your state journals in the new year. Yes I agree with all that....but I would love to see all the neuter classes judges out the same as we do for the entires. That includes BIG and all group class awards and then onto BIS Neuter and in show class awards for all the neuters classes. As I say so often we need bums on seats and by getting off ours and trying to encourage the neuters to show and provide classes at least we are trying. Yes, it may take some time to catch on but at least we are trying. We need good publicity by the Controling Bodies with promo's sent out on these classes with registration certificates and breeders help on passing it on and informing the new puppy owners of what is available.

for 10 hours......is that all. Then have some thought for mine and a lot of others that are flying internationally.....mine is flying Georgia USA to LAX then more checks and then back into a crate to fly to Sydney. Some flights within Aust may take up to ten hours depending on the flight connection. (that is from the time the pup may be crated) I can tell you far worse stories than yours and yes I still fly pups and adults around the country. That's what happens when you fly dogs. Anything can happen. Some flights get cancelled. Look what happens to some pasengers that are totally stranded. Here you are blaming a transport company for something that's beyond their control. I am sure the Transport Company and the Airlines met their comitments but it just took a little longer.

That's what I spotted at a previous show too EF. Yes, the Neuters are all catalogued after the entires, sort of like a separate breed, and run that way too. Not male neuters after entire males and neuter bitches after entire bitches. I do sympathise with you and other cataloguers, must be frustrating. And curious, how did you catalogue that Junior Neuter? did you slot that after the entire Juniors or at the end of the bitches/dogs (whichever gender it is)?... if you don't mind me asking. I am just now getting a bit mind blown about pondering what actually does run off against what if there are multiple Neuter classes and entries, as up until now, the shows I have attended have only offered 18 and 18A. I assume they run challenge dog and bitch, same as entires, and then run those off against one another to get their BNOB. But then we seem to have confusion as to whether these BNOB run off against one another in a Best Neuter In Group line up or are they only going to be running off the indivudual classes in Neuter Group Surely they have to be otherwise why is this call for us to be sponsoring NIG sashes, of which there is supposedly one per group, not one for each Neuter Class per group. And then..... in show??? I had to stop pondering this yesterday as it was doing my head in. My thoughts on this..... Catalogue and judge them after the breed entire classes. Why.... again keep it simple. It would be running 2 shows in conjunction with one another one for entires and one for neuters. All judged by the same judges allocated. Lets face it at the moment the clubs are not being inundated with entries. If it neuter classes take off why couldn't aspiring judges be engaged to judge these classes along with their normal Open Show apointments in the states where applicable. Just a few thoughts..........

Your class NC1 is not possible as a dog has to be over 6 months of age to gain points towards a title. ANKC Ltd Regulations part 5 Shows 7.8 Neuter Championship Points System (exactly the same wording as for entires in 7.7 Championship Points System) Graham Their neuters ....... What would it matter. OK then just re arrange the classes to include baby puppy dog or bitch. But please remember if the baby puppies are still entire they should be entered in ordinary classes. (Many people don't want to de sex early) We must not lose the object of the exercise it is for neuters. Starts to pose problems dosen't it. Keep it simple I say. The wording could alway be amemded to Puppy 6 months and under 18 months.

As much as I would like like to see the classes available the same as as our entires it is just not practical a the moment. Why not ask for the neuter class to be as such for the time being. Neuter class 1. NC1 for dogs 3 months of age but under 18 months Neuter class 2. NC2 for dog 18 months of age but under 36 months Neuter class 3. NC3 for dogs 3 months and over or for dog over 36 months of age. The same for bitches NC1 A NC2 A NC3 A All judging to follow the format of the Entire Classes through to Group and Show Specials.

Co-owning on Limited Register is probably the breeder's way of putting the pup out on breeder's terms and making certain you haven't purchased the pup for someone else. The breeder alone has the power to upgrade once only to the main register. To dispose of the pup, both signatures are required. If your contract states a time frame to de-sex the pup then it may be the sole owner after that event. Even if the breeder has stated that the pup comes back to her if you no longer can house or want the pup, he/she still requires YOUR signature to apply for transfer over to her. Doglady it does not happen that way in Queensland. If a dog goes into any form of partnership in this state the controlling body has their own special partnership agreement that must be completed and signed by both parties. I am aware of that fact! Same goes here in Vic. What I have mentioned is something you would include in that agreement!! You will NEVER have a leg to stand on if both parties have not agreed to and signed ORIGINALs of a written contract..... I think you are missing the point......if it is not agreed to and signed by both parties (and there is provision for further addition for private agreements) the dog does not get transfered. Not missing the point at all......the co-ownership form is a contract and it doesn't matter whether you purchase on Limited or Main.....the space for provision is for you to agree or disagree to terms of the co-ownership. Your application will be kept on file for future reference. What I was saying is that if the breeder wants to co-own the pup on Limited or Main register, they obviously have their reasons (maybe a gut feeling of distrust) and should be agreed upon in writing whatever form or application you are applying for. Not everyone will purchase on co-ownership. Yes of course. Sorry, was on a different train of thought.

Co-owning on Limited Register is probably the breeder's way of putting the pup out on breeder's terms and making certain you haven't purchased the pup for someone else. The breeder alone has the power to upgrade once only to the main register. To dispose of the pup, both signatures are required. If your contract states a time frame to de-sex the pup then it may be the sole owner after that event. Even if the breeder has stated that the pup comes back to her if you no longer can house or want the pup, he/she still requires YOUR signature to apply for transfer over to her. Doglady it does not happen that way in Queensland. If a dog goes into any form of partnership in this state the controlling body has their own special partnership agreement that must be completed and signed by both parties. Is this another form i am supposed to fill in?, all i have from dogs Qld is a blue litter registration piece of paper and another form for the buyers to sign for limited reg.. Yes, you will need to download the the partnership form from their web site. (Yes I know its a bit of a pain in the but). It can save a lot of problems later on for both parties. I personally have never done one on limited but have done so on main.

Co-owning on Limited Register is probably the breeder's way of putting the pup out on breeder's terms and making certain you haven't purchased the pup for someone else. The breeder alone has the power to upgrade once only to the main register. To dispose of the pup, both signatures are required. If your contract states a time frame to de-sex the pup then it may be the sole owner after that event. Even if the breeder has stated that the pup comes back to her if you no longer can house or want the pup, he/she still requires YOUR signature to apply for transfer over to her. Doglady it does not happen that way in Queensland. If a dog goes into any form of partnership in this state the controlling body has their own special partnership agreement that must be completed and signed by both parties. I am aware of that fact! Same goes here in Vic. What I have mentioned is something you would include in that agreement!! You will NEVER have a leg to stand on if both parties have not agreed to and signed ORIGINALs of a written contract..... I think you are missing the point......if it is not agreed to and signed by both parties (and there is provision for further addition for private agreements) the dog does not get transfered.

I best run out the back and chop the nuts of something LOL Now, now, don't get to over enthusiastic.

Co-owning on Limited Register is probably the breeder's way of putting the pup out on breeder's terms and making certain you haven't purchased the pup for someone else. The breeder alone has the power to upgrade once only to the main register. To dispose of the pup, both signatures are required. If your contract states a time frame to de-sex the pup then it may be the sole owner after that event. Even if the breeder has stated that the pup comes back to her if you no longer can house or want the pup, he/she still requires YOUR signature to apply for transfer over to her. Doglady it does not happen that way in Queensland. If a dog goes into any form of partnership in this state the controlling body has their own special partnership agreement that must be completed and signed by both parties.

Strewth I wouldn't have a clue. Maybe go in and have a look for a different version or how about giving them a mail.

Yes you may co own on the limited register. Can not be transfered unless both owners sign the transfer.

This brings in my argument that if neuter class should take off the controlling bodies should look at a third class of registration. 1. Open or Main registration as it is now 2. Neuter self explanatory 3. Limited for those dogs that are not to be shown = i.e. mismarks, bad mouths etc.

My states rules don't allow for it. But I will fight for the right for others to be able to have it. Queensland is the throws of a big up heaval at the moment and there is little that can be done at this time.

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