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I have friends that installed them years ago. Said they never hit another roo and never gave the dogs any problems that they could see. The way I have been scoring on roo's lately maybe I had better some myself. :laugh:

Unfortunately the crew are under orders and when the dog is placed in the kennels they are their till morning. My dogs have always traveled in the dog trailer while on board. Some dogs I have seen crated in the back of station wagons. As long as the dogs are on deck 5 you should have no problems. I also think asking a dog of those years that is blind is asking just a tad to much. Flying would be the better option in this case. Then at that age and condition I would still not give guarantees.

Yes, I use the same. :) I should have said I use the same but at approx. 8 weeks.

The statement was we definitely need time vaccinate dogs, I said no we don't definitely. If you want research on things such on titre testing to test for immunity instead of blindly vaccinating, there is a lot of info out there. I did my own research, I'm not doing yours too. You clearly stated that "well, actually no, we don't, not beyond the initial puppy vacs". Sorry I missed the word definitely - it didn't appear on my screen. I have done my own research thank you - and wouldn't trust yours anyway so have no desire for you to do mine. I read a thread a while back where someone lost two young dogs to parvo - both of whom had received their puppy vaccinations - so puppy vaccinations alone are not always sufficient for seroconversion. But don't let facts get in the way of a good argument. To the OP - it is important to read both sides, consider all the scientific evidence, and make a decision you are comfortable with. Chocolatelover As a long time breeder I MAY be able to give you a reason why vaccinated puppies die. Some bitches, and note I said some, can still be producing massive amounts of antibodies and if the pups are still nursing on their dams when vaccinated it is believed that the anti bodies from the bitch may in many cases be rendering the vaccine useless. Many breeders are removing their pups from their dams at 6 weeks and not allowing them to nurse from that time on and vaccinating at 8 weeks. Many of us are finding that 2 weeks clear of their dams and vaccinating at 8 weeks has been successful. I do fully understand the implications of neutralisation of the vaccine by maternal antibodies - this is why I disagree that puppy vaccines are not a guarantee. I titrate human maternal antibodies in my work and it is not always an exact science. Maternal antibodies in a pup can persist longer than a two week timeframe, plus there is also the issue of the puppy's developing immune system. I can't recall the exact figures but not all puppies will seroconvert at twelve weeks whether there are maternal antibodies or not. However, by 16 weeks a higher percentage of puppies will seroconvert. I can't find the thread I was referring to but it was very sad and from memory the pups had the 8 and 12 week vaccine and died from parvo around six months. For me personally, I chose to do 8 week (done by breeder after being weaned at 6 weeks), 12 week and also a 16 week, which the vet said they didn't need but was happy to do it. I felt that this was the best way of ensuring that my dogs seroconvert and are protected - most likely for life. I am not saying this is right or wrong but I am saying that vaccinations have saved more lives than any other medical discoveries and should not be seen as something that is going to cause your dog years of pain and suffering. The benefits outweigh the risks in the majority of cases. In a perfect world I would probably chose not to revaccinate other than one booster (similar to the schedule for human children), however circumstances dictate that I need to have my dog vaccinated for boarding purposes. I fully understand there are implications in over-vaccinating. I just think it is important for people to hear both sides of the story that are true and accurate and to base their decisions from there :) I really don't care what anybody else does!!!!!! what I'm doing is working for me, and my dogs and pups and that's all that really matters in the end, healthy happy dogs and pups. :)

The statement was we definitely need time vaccinate dogs, I said no we don't definitely. If you want research on things such on titre testing to test for immunity instead of blindly vaccinating, there is a lot of info out there. I did my own research, I'm not doing yours too. You clearly stated that "well, actually no, we don't, not beyond the initial puppy vacs". Sorry I missed the word definitely - it didn't appear on my screen. I have done my own research thank you - and wouldn't trust yours anyway so have no desire for you to do mine. I read a thread a while back where someone lost two young dogs to parvo - both of whom had received their puppy vaccinations - so puppy vaccinations alone are not always sufficient for seroconversion. But don't let facts get in the way of a good argument. To the OP - it is important to read both sides, consider all the scientific evidence, and make a decision you are comfortable with. Chocolatelover As a long time breeder I MAY be able to give you a reason why vaccinated puppies die. Some bitches, and note I said some, can still be producing massive amounts of antibodies and if the pups are still nursing on their dams when vaccinated it is believed that the anti bodies from the bitch may in many cases be rendering the vaccine useless. Many breeders are removing their pups from their dams at 6 weeks and not allowing them to nurse from that time on and vaccinating at 8 weeks. Many of us are finding that 2 weeks clear of their dams and vaccinating at 8 weeks has been successful.

Don't forget your former states controlling body membership is not transferable to Queensland. You will have to take out new membership for Dogs Queensland. Your Prefix can however be transferred. Welcome to Queensland.

Great advice here. The feeding guide on the packet is only that a guide. If people all fed to the guide we would have many over weight and many under weight dogs. :)

Please speak to Wayrod (on this forum) he can arrange "everything" for you. Saves a lot of problems and mistakes on behalf of people that are not quite sure what to do. Mistakes can cost extra time in the country of departure. :)

It is believed that once vaccinated that the dog then sheds the virus. Many never do for K C and rely on the dogs picking up their own immunity with the contact of other dogs.

Let me correct you Staffyluv Pets and regular people really don't belong on the same planet. :laugh: Nice to see so many aware about Oscars Law.

Contact Dogs Queensland they will give you the full details.

She is black brindle Well it's not the blue dilute problem so that can be crossed off the list. Other than continuing the Ivomec I have no answers.

May have missed it, but what colour is your Staffy.

Silver Galaxy. Galaxy. Well her sire won the Galaxy.

Why don't you check out the Australian Cattle Dog breeders on the Dogzonline puppies for sale.

Why not look at the Labrador pups for sale on Dogzonline. http://www.dogzonline.com.au/breeds/breeders/labrador-retriever.asp

I am in total agreement with this.

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Stitch Hi, You are entirely correct. When these first "Premium" foods arrived in Aust. they were thought to be the top of the range foods now available to us. But many soon found out on trips to the states that many of these brands were nothing more than supermarket brands in the states.

The minerals in TOTW are all chelated minerals. So it's good. Someone said the VIP 3kg bag is about $14.89. That's very nicely priced! TOTW would be waaaaaaaaaay pricier. Have you considered a plan B? There's a promotion here on Canidae Grain Free. http://www.robbospetbarn.com.au/products/c-362/DOGS/FOOD/SUPER-PREMIUM/CANIDAE/GRAIN-FREE.aspx It works out to be cheaper than TOTW and but still pricier than VIP. My dogs have done the worst on Canidae out of all the products I have fed. And I have pretty much tried every product on the market. The BEST dog food is the one that your dog does best on. I totally agree.

I have been told that it is illegal in in Aust. I have no reason to disbelieve the manufactures of dog foods. Horse meat in beef pie is supposed to be illegal as well :) The 'duck and meat meal' stmt is just dodgy. What's that really mean? Is this the ratio of 1% duck and 99% any meat under the sun. I give the benefit of the doubt that in this post someone know the council who help the company source the meat, but still it doesn't mean anything. 'Meat meal' literally means anything including pork or meat that your dog may be sensitive to. Also by the way, the minerals found in VIP doesn't seem to be chelated minerals. As a result it's likely the minerals will pass through the dog system instead of being absorbed. It may be legal to have horse meat in overseas products. but it is ilegal to put it in, in this country. Europe survived on horse meat during the war. They had nothing else. You may find it in imported products but not in Australian made. My daughter ate Dog in Indonesia and thought it was nice untill she was told what it was!!!!. Heck, I'm a Chinese. We eat dogs and puppies! So I've no issues with horse meat...and now I've a Labrador.....hmmm she looks tempting now.

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I have been told that it is illegal in in Aust. I have no reason to disbelieve the manufactures of dog foods. Horse meat in beef pie is supposed to be illegal as well :) The 'duck and meat meal' stmt is just dodgy. What's that really mean? Is this the ratio of 1% duck and 99% any meat under the sun. I give the benefit of the doubt that in this post someone know the council who help the company source the meat, but still it doesn't mean anything. 'Meat meal' literally means anything including pork or meat that your dog may be sensitive to. Also by the way, the minerals found in VIP doesn't seem to be chelated minerals. As a result it's likely the minerals will pass through the dog system instead of being absorbed. It may be legal to have horse meat in overseas products. but it is ilegal to put it in, in this country. Europe survived on horse meat during the war. They had nothing else. You may find it in imported products but not in Australian made. My daughter ate Dog in Indonesia and thought it was nice untill she was told what it was!!!!.

Ya, the meat side is a bit on the poor side. Check the section on 'How to Quickly Spot Inferior Meat Meals' http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/choosing-dog-food/about-meat-meal/ That's American NOT Australian. Different regulations in Australia. True. The link would apply to most US Made premium food we discussed in this forum, but may not be for VIP which is made here. But still, when it says 'meat meal', it could legally mean anything including euthanised cats and dogs, dying, diseased or disabled farm animals (like the recent scandal, horse meat!). These are plausible example and nobody can rule that out. If the human consumables could include the recent horse meat scandal, I wonder what happens to dog food....especially it's opently legal to do so when it is declared merely as 'meat meal'. I have been told that it is illegal in in Aust. I have no reason to disbelieve the manufactures of dog foods.

Ya, the meat side is a bit on the poor side. Check the section on 'How to Quickly Spot Inferior Meat Meals' http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/choosing-dog-food/about-meat-meal/ That's American NOT Australian. Different regulations in Australia.