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I can't believe where these ideas people have come from?. The worse thing is that some of these people are not idiots in the sense they are decent, respectable and intelligent people otherwise, but come up with some real silly stuff in regard to dogs

Just out of interest, does anyone feed Purina Supercoat Large Breed the one with the GSD on the packet? I can't seem to get it, not that I have reseached into it other than a few vacant stares asking about it in Wollies, but I did a run around a few shops late yesterday afternoon, no one had it and I haven't seen it on the shelf for about a month. I tried a bag of the adult with the Cocker on the packet, but our poos were a bit softy looking on that? Just wondered if anyone else had seen a short supply of the large breed in the mean time, I will check deeper into it after Xmas Thanks

Rescue is not a byb advocate. No matter what lies byb spread around to suit themselves. There are so many adult dogs needing homes compared to the number of homes available. These dogs need homes because whoever sold them in the first place didn't place the dog in the right home. The lucky few make it into rescue, the rest are killed. Most. Thousands every year. Byb do not produce litters unless they think they can sell all the pups, rescue does not really come into it. Remember that next time a byb talks shit about rescue. A person can be anti-byb, and still recognise that by sheer luck some of the dogs that byb produce will be excellent dogs. While it doesn't suit everyone to buy a rescue dog, you cannot blame the dog for how it was produced, it deserves to be assessed on its own merits. Buying from rescue does not support byb or any other type of breeding. It just prevents a dog being put to sleep. They are what the product is they promote, if an organisation markets Royal Canin dog food then obviously they support that product is what I mean, but when it comes down to trying on guilt trips to save a BYB which has been said to me many times, "why don't I get a nice dog from rescue instead of a pure breed puppy from a registered breeder", I don't want a BYB as the OP said, I didn't breed these poor dogs on death row, I hate that breeding system and would like to strangle some BYB'ers to be honest when so many doggy lives are taken by their stupidity of random breedings, I know rescues do it for the dogs and that I admire, but they are still peddling the BYB product for the most part?. Another way I can explain my point, ok people know I am into dogs and often ask me about what they should do and BYB's often pop up, adds in the trading post, on the notice board at the shops, petshops whatever, but if they ask my advice I always steer them to a registered breeder of the breed or type of dog they like, no compromises, if they like the Labrador for example, ok lets talk to some experienced Lab breeders, I have helped many people seek breeders out, my vision is if you are serious about a dog, do it properly and get what you really want. Hey, I don't visit rescue's because I would take something home, I am as bigger sucker for that doggy face as every other dog lover regardless of breed, X breed or BYB, but the BYB system sucks IMHO and goes against my grain to support their products. So once I get someone to the point of understanding that getting what they want from an experienced and reputable breeder is the way to go, I have been through the BYB thing, petshops and why it's best not to purchase from them, health tests, unknown parentage and faults in the bloodlines etc ect, they find a reputable rescue online peddling BYB's and crossbreeds......"oh yeah but this place here with all the nice pictures say these BYB's are lovely dogs looking for a home", then they are back on the Trading Post adds looking at BYB Labs for half registered breeder price They don't want a dog from rescue, but because rescue are promoting BYB products, they think BYB must be a good thing in that case.........does what I am saying make any sense or is my thought process a bit warped Anyway Merry Chistmas everyone, I need to go to bed ready for the big day

A month or so ago, I met up with a person with a male 4 month old supposed Belgian Shepherd purchased from a petshop.........to me it looked like a Belgian GSD X, but anyway he was telling me what a marvellous pedigree his pup had, the pup was papered but didn't have the parents listed on the papers just the health certificate, I am thinking the papers were probably the vaccination certificate from the vet, but the petshop had told him that the pup had come from champion parents etc etc. Desexing came up in the conversation some how, he said "we are not going to desex him because of his champion pedigree, the Belgian Shepherd breeders may want to use him at stud" I couldn't be bothered trying to explain anything, I just said "oh really", he was a nice enough guy, loved his pup, but some people have absolutley no idea and shook my head at the thought of a registered Belgian breeder wanting to stud which I am sure was a GSD X with a vaccination certificate as the dog's pedigree papers , a young girl at the petshop who sold him the pup, her uncle used to breed "Shepherds" and she told him all about them ;) The guy was totally straight faced and genuinely believed what he was telling me, really quite a sad situation.

Wonderful result

I would like to know the result as well? That is such a sad story, why the hell couldn't they have given him a warning in the circumstances, the dog to a homeless man would be his life, I would happily donate a rego for the dog like many others would if it came to that, what a disgusting situation

classic! Lol Need to line up some males with a vasectome, that would teach them after spending 5K in stud fees and no puppies

Yes, I know the good rescues do a fine job, it's just me in the sense why I wouldn't adopt the classic cross breed from a rescue because I don't support the BYB system of random cross breedings, I guess I protest my dislike of this breeding system buy not owning one? I see rescue as a bit of a two edged sword, they are giving dogs a chance at life is what dog lovers do, but at the same token they are the BYB's greatest advocate to breed another litter. It's not like hey guys, were over run with BYB's looking for homes, tone the breeding down for a bit, the BYB say's look at all our marketing organisations how good is this, we will pump out a few more litters in that case?.

Ok, we critisize backyard breeders, but then project a guilt trip for not adopting them through rescue Rescue and shelters do a great job, I admire their dedication and work, but to me it sends back a message to the BYB there are organisations out there marketing and promoting their stock so BYB'ing must be a good thing? I hate that fact that some BYB,er can run a litter of crossbreeds and I have asked some of these people what are you going to do with the pups, do you have homes for them, "oh it doesn't matter one told me, I will take them to some rescue/shelter, they will be able to find homes for them" Ggrr, that pisses me off so much, just do a litter and then handball it to someone else to avoid responsibility for the irresponsible actions of bringing doggy lives into the world for no valid reason, I have a real problem with that Rescues mainly deal with the byb dogs after they have grown up and are not so cute. The vast majority of dogs needing homes fall into this category. There is no overpopulation of pups, no shortage of takers there, but there is a big overpopulation of adult dogs that are no longer wanted. The lucky few of these will end up in rescue. At an older age, a dog can be assessed carefully to know its temperament and have tests to make sure it is healthy. If because of poor breeding or poor rearing or a combination of both it is not suitable to be somebody's pet, an ethical rescue org will not sell that dog as a pet. Where as those buying a puppy of unknown breeding have to wait until the pup matures to find out if the dog is sound and healthy and of a good nature. Those buying a well-bred pup, and raising it well, have a much better chance of ending up with a good dog than those buying byb pups. But the best way to assess whether a dog is a good dog in all respects is to assess it as an adult. So buying an adult dog (from breeder or rescue) can make a lot of sense if proper assessment is done. What you see is what you get. as the dog is fully developed. Yes, some byb do drop unsold pups off at a shelter or pound, but that does not mean they will get homes, it's what they want you to think will happen. What else are they going to tell you? Personally, I would like to see BYB's shut down and dog breeding regulated, but given the majority of the stock that rescues carry to me is like the 2nd hand shop of BYB produce?. I don't mean that there a not good dogs from BYB's or that they don't make great pets or that rescues are peddling poor quality stock back out to the public that's not what I am getting at, it's that I don't support BYB breeding practices and wouldn't own one on that principal. I would take a pure breed from a rescue, but not a classical BYB X, I hate BYB cross breeders with a passion and would be hypocritical of me to own one of their dogs. The reason I think so many are not wanted after puppyhood and end up in rescue is because they are too easily attainable from the BYB, too cheap and too attractive to people to buy on impulse when they are not really dog owner material. Of course there are genuine rescue cases, but merely not wanting a dog anymore because they can't be bothered with it learning they are not dog lovers after all is a cycle I would like to see broken. These same people I am sure would either be rejected by a good registered breeders to own their pups or they wouldn't pay the price for a papered pup or the purchase process would be too hard for these people and their ideas on having a dog would quickly fade and would not get one in the first place. People complain about registered breeders wanting to know the in's and out's of their business before agreeing to sell them a pup and some can be a bit painfull to deal with, but many of the registered breeders do provide a good screening process that weeds out a lot of impulse buyers or unsuitable applicants which I think is a good thing. The BYB for the most part, who ever lays the cash on the table or who will take a freebie off their hands have got the pup, maybe not all but that is the general protocol, no wonder the rescues and shelters are full of unwanted dogs?.

Ok, we critisize backyard breeders, but then project a guilt trip for not adopting them through rescue Rescue and shelters do a great job, I admire their dedication and work, but to me it sends back a message to the BYB there are organisations out there marketing and promoting their stock so BYB'ing must be a good thing? I hate that fact that some BYB,er can run a litter of crossbreeds and I have asked some of these people what are you going to do with the pups, do you have homes for them, "oh it doesn't matter one told me, I will take them to some rescue/shelter, they will be able to find homes for them" Ggrr, that pisses me off so much, just do a litter and then handball it to someone else to avoid responsibility for the irresponsible actions of bringing doggy lives into the world for no valid reason, I have a real problem with that

Sorry for the off topic reply, just a quick one, but I have read many times where it appears the Dobe as a breed didn't quite have what a GSD had in overall performance years back and breeders phased out of the Dobe like they did with the Rotty as many have done with the GSD for the Malinois and the good old bloodlines become lost in evolution, at one stage way back the Dobe,GSD & Rotty were pretty much on the same level doing the same type of work. Vonforell kennels in Vic breed working Dobes along with their GSD's from a lot of imported bloodlines I have seen

That's a good one, have to remember that :D I usually tell randoms it's not my dog, just looking after him for the day and would have to ask the owner and don't forward any info on about the dog, I just tell them I don't know anything about the dog's background if they ask questions?. I know they are idiots, but I don't show them any emotion and prefer being pleasant and dopey in those encounters.

I am sorry Jacquie835, I don't agree with your justification of a necessity to cross and Rotty and Dobe, it is the same as a Staffy X IMHO. If the breeder of your dog wanted to produce a recognised working/protection dog they needed to research professional choices I highlight (below) who have the experience and achievements behind them to make educated breed choices. Two of the universal protection dog breeds are the German Shepherd and the Belgian Malinois. At present, these are the two breeds that stand out from the rest. Around the world it is not an accident that 99% percent of the police and army dogs are mostly Malinois or German Shepherds. Ivan Balabanov Premier Protection dogs

That is the COMPLETE OPPOSITE of what happened in over 75% of the cases we saw. I was horrified, disgusted etc at the attitude some breeders showed. I can think of only three who gave a toss and I nominated one of those for an MDBA award for the dedication they showed to an old dog of their breeding. I've only ever been able to contact one greyhound breeder who cared and that was for the severely emaciated greyhound in Wodonga Pound - he was awesome. Every other one I contacted would only tell me that they had passed it on. Aren't Greyhounds if they are racing dogs if either no good or past their use by date made someone elses problem when they don't want them anymore, get rid of them and make room for a new dog?

oh for God's sake how rude are you? You make this judgement based on a thread on a forum? Only trying to help, she (OP) seems to be getting into a lot of verbal clashes over something which IMHO should be relatively easy to address without people getting nasty about it, she said someone called her a stupid bitch, they can't all be horrible people she encounters surley? I have encountered my share of people who rub me up the wrong way with smarty pants attitudes, may be she comes over like that being the reason people are rude to her in response is all that I am saying?

Personally reading through this thread, I think the OP could learn some people skills to diffuse these situations, I totally agree that people shouldn't interfere with your puppy, it is rude of them and is something that annoys me too, but I have never had anyone get cranky with me or call me names for redirecting their attention away from my pup. Are you sure you don't come over as a bit of a smarty pants and they are reacting to your attitude not reacting to your preference of leaving the pup alone?

This is an aweful situation to have a dog die in custody of the pound, but I think the owners efforts would be better spent learning how to keep their next dog in and prevent it from escaping, regardless what happened they can't bring that dog back, what's done is done. I don't how the rangers could escape interview from an RSPCA inspector, I would have though the RSPCA had more power to demand an interview?

I would have thought that most people who buy pure breed dogs from a registered breeder would be people with a higher value for dogs and have bought something they really want and therefore responsible ownership and a for ever home has a higher priority than people who end up with an easily attainable dog perhaps sometimes for the wrong reasons,impulse buys etc.

Males I have found have a greater tolorance to get over a fight than females and move on, so adapting two males into the household I think is an easier task to repair after a scrap. I would have them both muzzled for saftey sake and gradually allow them to interact on leash in the back yard with two handlers in a relaxed manner but watch for body language and stress, if that occurs, move them apart and distract them to focus on the handlers. Importantly regular short interactions I think is best, start off with a 5 minute interaction then separate them for a while, then bring them back together again for a little longer increasing the time on each interaction. Keep it calm to begin with and don't excite the dogs with vigorous play, nice and calm, sit on the grass with the other handler, have a chat with the dogs in a drop, give them a pat so they get used to each other's presence in the yard so especially the reactive dog learns that the other dog being there is nothing he needs to worry about. I think it's extra important for the handlers not to stress during the interactions, if they are muzzled and on leash they can't hurt each other and you have control of the situation, it takes a little time and patience, but I have had a couple of shockers in the past with severe DA that have come around to accepting another dog and have become good mates, there is no guarentee, dogs are dogs, but it's worth a good try. Generally of they have a dust up showing some bite inhibition on the first fight and they didn't appear to be trying to kill each other, you have a better chance of fixing the problem, sometimes these male scraps although sound vicious are just sorting out the boundaries where things are at flexing a bit of muscle.