mace

The victim may have walked out of the way to the extent of the leash. They have stated they walked on to the nature strip. The dog may however have lunged at the person, dragging the owner and so decreasing the distance. The fact that the victim did move any distance around the people suggests that they attempted not to get chomped. Or do you think the victim should have crossed the road? They stated that the footpath was blocked with the offenders and their dogs and walked onto the nature strip for that reason, not to be clear of the dog's leash range, which at the time probably didn't enter the victim's head to do so? The leash range of a strange dog to me is their personal space which I prefer to keep out of to prevent what happened in this case. So if you want to be a thrillseeker by entering a strange dog's personal space, the bottom line is, be aware that getting bitten may be the result........the choice is yours :D

The breeder in this case is restricting your rights of owning a pedigree papered dog. If that situation for you is unacceptable, buy from a non restrictive breeder and give this one a miss :)

At least you acknowledge the person who was bitten is the victim, though like the others, I'm not sure why you blame the victim for being bitten. It makes me wonder if you also blame victims of crimes for being victims. it makes me wonder if mace owns a dog who bites and blames it on other people who accidently stay within it's trigger zone. No, I don't own dogs who bite people and I manange mine responsibly, this scenario wouldn't happen walking past my dogs I can guarantee that, but as we have found out in this thread alone, you can't trust every dog owner to have the same level of responsible management and with that fact, I choose to take my own action to avoid this situation happening to me is my point. The victim could have done the same in this case is what I am pointing out? If you want to nurse a dog bite and tell yourself what morons the dog owners were and how right you were to walk past in close proximity, great what ever floats your boat, but if you want to avoid a bite when encounting morons as in this case, get out of the dog's leash range and you will avoid the bite is my whole point here?

How is trying to blame the victim a solution. It has already been said that the victim tried to avoid the dogs by going onto the naturestrip. If what I read from you is correct it would be more ideal to walk on the road and possibly cause a car accident which could result in greater injuries or even the lose of a life? As others have already said the owners should be found and charged and their dog PTS. And the victim may have been able to avoid it is my point. Nothing in this case suggests that there was not room for the victim to avoid the dog's leash range, for all we know, she may have brushed past the dog when there was 20 feet of nature strip to use if required? The bottom line is, do as she did and get bitten or do as I have suggested and avoid it, take your pick I guess?

How can you not buy the argument when the thread is about someone getting bitten within leash range of a dog? The only reasoning is whether to run the risk of getting bitten or avoiding the possiblity as best you can?

So I need to crawl into a hole for providing a solution to avoid getting bitten by a leashed dog

People can do the bolt in panic when faced with a situation that their dog has just bitten someone, it doesn't mean an aggressive and mismanaged dog doesn't mean the world to the owner with the thought of their dog potentially being euthansed over the incident, their instinct is to shoot through and avoid apprehension. Then there are others with a cool head who do provide assistance with deep apology offer to pay medical expenses calmly providing a false name and contact details to the injured party and disappear that way? Some people are only concerned about an incident not effecting them directly and although they know it was wrong to leave an injured person laying on the nature strip, they live with it on the pride of saving themselves and their dog.

Px The definition of "effective control" is that the dog is leashed and secured to a person, it was and therefore doesn't breach requirement of effective control. I know what the law states, and it is also a matter of how you read the law. That is why they have lawyers and learned judges. You cannot interpret the law as: " on a leash but running around as if not on a leash" The phrase: "effective control of some competent person by means of an adequate ... leash" is to be understood that the leash provides control of the dog and is not just an adornment or piece of bling. However, while most dog people would have walked past the dog defensively, a child or disabled or invalid person may not. You do not have a law that supports the view that the injured person was at fault and therefore committed an offense. That kind of argument is just rubbish. Px The facts of the incident are that the dog was leashed and to be bitten by a leashed dog the person bitten was within leash range of the dog whether it was 2 inches or 3 feet from the dog is arguable. The dog owner could present an array of defences thruth or not and claim provoctaion, all could be possible. The lady tripped into the dog whilst passing, the lady accidently hit the dog in the face with her bag, the lady trod on the dog's foot, the lady bumped shoulders with the dog's owner etc etc, in this case especially there is two against one, a couple with the dogs and a lady on her own and if the dog owners present a good story under provocation, they won't be convicted of any wrong doing is what I am saying. Unlike attacks resulting from dogs roaming at large and not under effective control where the owner is 100% in the wrong and accountable, leashed dogs present a different set of circumstances with defences available. Leashed dog incidents are not clear cut cases if a dog bites, the owner is in trouble.

What's wrong with taking the intitative and keeping out of a strange dog's leash space to avoid these situations when this thread in it's self confirms that you can't trust people to control their dogs properly. Situations aren't always black and white like that though. Could have been cars passing, a busy road, a narrow strip of walkway, trees lining one side. It's easy to say you would give a wide berth to avoid passing dogs (which i'm sure most do!), however not every situation is as easy as this, and sometimes you are forced to share a narrow pathway or get hit by a car. Think outside the box for just a minute here. Is that what happened in this case, were they forced to share a narrow pathway or not?

Hi Pawprints. I am sorry to hear that your friend has been attacked by a dog. There are a couple of issues that I think might help. Firstly, your friend should not have had to walk around the couple and their dogs as a footpath is a public thoroughfare. It is an offense to obstruct a public thoroughfare. I like to keep my dogs on the opposite side of oncoming pedestrians. Dogs can become territorial, and one of my dogs will react if it determines that someone out walking is trying to pass between me and the dog. My point being that the person walking the dog needs to be fully conversant with the dogs behaviour before effective control by a competent person can be enacted. I hope this adds to the information you requested. Px The definition of "effective control" is that the dog is leashed and secured to a person, it was and therefore doesn't breach requirement of effective control.

What's wrong with taking the intitative and keeping out of a strange dog's leash space to avoid these situations when this thread in it's self confirms that you can't trust people to control their dogs properly.

Are you for real! I'm sorry that my friend didn't have the capacity in a split instance to calcualte the angle and extension of a dogs lead, taking into consideration the length of the owners arm and elasticity of the lead. That's what I do and have had my fair share of dogs lunge at me over the years in that type of situation. The point I am making is that you can't trust people will handle their dogs accordingly and take the initiative myself. It's too late to argue who is right or wrong if perhaps you had a child with you and half his/her face missing? wow, where on earth do you walk that you have been lunged at multiple times while just trying to walk past on lead dogs without a dog yourself. Certainly sounds like a dangerous neighbourhood and one to be avoided at all costs. Nice one, put all the blame on the victim, who did try and avoid the dogs :rolleyes: She may have moved off the footpath but how far from the dog 6 inches? 4 or 5 feet away from a leashed dog and you are pretty safe. I would prefer not to take the chance and give the dog some room is all I am saying, IMHO if you get bitten by a dog on leash you are too close? I have walked out onto the side of the road to avoid small dogs on retractor leads with owners who's dog is all over the place, works for me :D I don't care how far she moved she had every right to walk where she did why should she have to move 4 or 5 feet away, The damn owners of the dog should have had more controll over there dogs and if they damn well knew there dog bites it should have been muzzled. What gives people with dogs the right to hog all the pathway and not move over and leave room for others to walk by. The dog owners should be the ones to move and have there dogs in a sit/stay and show some courtesy to other people. This lady that was bitten showed courtesy by moving so why couldn't the damn owners of that dog do the same. Of course dogs owners "should" have adequate control of their dogs and they shouldn't be biting people but they don't always as confirmed by this example. I don't care what my rights are, I just don't want to nurse a dog bite and I take my own action by giving the dog room when passing.

It's not the dogs fault for being involved in a situation displaying aggression as the owners have mismanaged an aggressive dog, that is true, but the reason the dog is aggressive can be genetic and nothing the owners have created

Are you for real! I'm sorry that my friend didn't have the capacity in a split instance to calcualte the angle and extension of a dogs lead, taking into consideration the length of the owners arm and elasticity of the lead. That's what I do and have had my fair share of dogs lunge at me over the years in that type of situation. The point I am making is that you can't trust people will handle their dogs accordingly and take the initiative myself. It's too late to argue who is right or wrong if perhaps you had a child with you and half his/her face missing? wow, where on earth do you walk that you have been lunged at multiple times while just trying to walk past on lead dogs without a dog yourself. Certainly sounds like a dangerous neighbourhood and one to be avoided at all costs. Nice one, put all the blame on the victim, who did try and avoid the dogs :rolleyes: She may have moved off the footpath but how far from the dog 6 inches? 4 or 5 feet away from a leashed dog and you are pretty safe. I would prefer not to take the chance and give the dog some room is all I am saying, IMHO if you get bitten by a dog on leash you are too close? I have walked out onto the side of the road to avoid small dogs on retractor leads with owners who's dog is all over the place, works for me :D

Are you for real! I'm sorry that my friend didn't have the capacity in a split instance to calcualte the angle and extension of a dogs lead, taking into consideration the length of the owners arm and elasticity of the lead. That's what I do and have had my fair share of dogs lunge at me over the years in that type of situation. The point I am making is that you can't trust people will handle their dogs accordingly and take the initiative myself. It's too late to argue who is right or wrong if perhaps you had a child with you and half his/her face missing?